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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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welcome Fade to Black good evening it is

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Tuesday April 18 2023 I'm your sibby

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church and tonight Our Guest is UFO and

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contact researcher Les Velez he's

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joining us for the first time I don't

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have an excuse for saying those words uh

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but it is about time less is on with us

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we're going to be discussing uh E.T

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contact alien contact and his

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organization Opus it is going to be a

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great conversation tonight so buckle up

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he's a graduate of the University of

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Vermont with a bachelor degree of

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Science in Business Administration

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beginning in September 1970 he joined

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the U.S army as a field artillery

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officer was later vice president of

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luscom engineering at Silicon Valley

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based manufacturers representative

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company then he joined mufon in 1991 he

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was a field Investigator training

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coordinator for film investigators

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assistant state director in Northern

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California assistant state director

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chairman of aerc the abduction

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experience or research committee and

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team leader of the art the abduction

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response team now he is uh when I met

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Les he was in Northern California he's

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now located out in Texas where he is

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joining us tonight and his links are

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below but I want to get straight to it

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I'm excited because I've got less Velez

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on the show with us tonight last one

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how are you Jimmy good to be with you

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yeah it's it's I don't have an excuse uh

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I I don't but it's about time less I

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appreciate it and and here's the thing

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you get the First Time guest disclaimer

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you had to wait 10 years right

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which is this Les it's just you and I uh

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation with friends and where the

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conversation starts and starts where it

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ends and ends but we're gonna end his

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friends there you go oh excellent

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excellent yeah yeah uh

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say uh uh agree okay I agree no except

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except

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do you do that do you um uh when you get

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to those uh customer

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uh you know the agreement whatever terms

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of service you don't read that stuff do

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you you just hell no

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I mean I have no idea what I'm clicking

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away it could be anything we get your

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house yes right right yeah Amazon will

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will have your house

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no doubt no doubt oh man uh now this is

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uh this is great having you on tonight

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because your involvement uh with with uh

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the UFO community and of course uh

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contacties and and abductions and things

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like that

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um you've been doing this for a very

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long time and a part of our community

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but also on the Eve of the Senate UFO

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hearing which is going on uh tomorrow

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tomorrow morning yeah

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um and so obviously I want to spend some

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time uh talking about that we've got a

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long uh a night in front of us uh as far

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as information and conversation goes but

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um I kind of want to start there I'm

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going to start at the end of the story

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and then we'll get to the beginning in a

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few minutes

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um in that

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we're gonna hear what we're gonna hear

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tomorrow

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but we're not going to hear about

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abductions no and why why do you think

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that is and do you think that there will

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be a day when we have say Travis Walton

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uh called uh as as a witness uh in in

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Capitol Hill yeah I think it's coming

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and and I think this is the first step

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uh first you know and it's like when I

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investigations for mufon

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um I was a nuts and bolts kind of a guy

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and you know I was so interested in

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understanding how these things operated

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and uh what they look like and and

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things of that nature and this is

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exactly what the government is doing

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right now and it's the same process and

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then the next step

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and it will happen I'm sure because

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there's millions and millions of people

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that have had contact with non-human

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intelligences and and so

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you know Lou Elizondo you know gets out

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there does his thing and you know he's

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got the attention by saying hey we

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should be concerned if this is a threat

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and that's a logical way to to get

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Congress to to to pay attention because

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if if they say well there's no there's

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nothing to see here they're fine you

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know it would just blow over and when

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nothing would happen so it's a threat

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and that's how we're proceeding to

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understand that hey we need to really uh

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dig in and try to understand this

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phenomena

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and and and I've talked to a number of

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people including Nick Pope about the

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fact that hey you know we're missing the

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boat on this thing we we need to be

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talking you know more to to the

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experiencers

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um about their contact and what they do

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know and I and I know that the

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government is doing just that they're

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already doing that but it's way under

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under the table right now

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um you're you're right about that and I

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was surprised I was very happy

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but I was surprised uh to see in the

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budget in the uh in the Jailer brand

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Amendment and and her wording on things

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she had a lot of help uh from from

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members of this community when you read

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the language and and how it was written

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to have

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health issues brought into it and so

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that in a roundabout way is a contactee

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right now it's a military version of it

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uh if you know what I'm saying sure but

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but to have health issues in there is

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suggesting that humans are making

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contact with stuff not of this Earth

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and they people talk about the fact well

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there's no evidence well that's that's

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evidence that's evidence that people

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have come in contact with this object

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and then they've they've had an issue of

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some sort some kind of a health issue

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electromagnetic related x-ray related

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gamma ray related

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um in my book I talk about that you know

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called the unknown other and the

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existential proposition of alien contact

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and I talk about the health issues and

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then George Knapp and comb Keller came

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out with that uh Skin Walkers at the

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Pentagon and they talked about that same

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same topic and so you got you know

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people like that obviously had the ear

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of of uh gillibrand and uh putting that

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kind of thing in into the uh into the

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bill

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I remember when the Condon report came

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out and and I get copy of it and John

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Burroughs and I uh were on the phone

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together and I I caught that one

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paragraph and I was a you know that was

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a that was a report but there was a

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paragraph in there that said I'm

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paraphrasing but it was just short too

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it's just a few sentences but it said

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radiation of this type

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is a known effect of human contact with

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are you reading it because dude I'm

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reading it with you I'm like they they

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are saying in this report that they know

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that they that was one of the first

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times that uaps was you know used was in

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the condom report but

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but to have it there says that they've

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known about this issue for a long time

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yeah absolutely and

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you know you and I and and this

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community certainly knows the fact that

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this this whole thing has been going on

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for eons not not just since 1947. and

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and you know there's there's cave

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drawings of of UFOs in France and in

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Spain uh and that's another thing I have

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in my book I actually show those

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drawings uh

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yeah I mean our government knows what

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the hell is going on and that they're

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they're doing the old drip method

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they're slowly slowly putting stuff out

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there because I guess they're afraid

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that the the the the uh you know the

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people here in our country will will

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freak out and uh I think the majority of

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people would not freak out I think uh

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that we could probably handle it now

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let's uh now now let's go backwards

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um what what Drew you to move on

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everybody's got their own unique little

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story but uh right uh what what you're a

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professional you're out there you know I

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know how you dress and how you walk I've

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seen what you drive right

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um you um you have uh a professional

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thing about you right and and and do you

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know what I'm talking about yeah you

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look great you're a professional

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um but I don't see that guy

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a field investigator

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so it's interesting that's a great

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question uh Jimmy

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um I have to go back to when I was 11

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I was living in Connecticut at the time

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Dusk and uh late October and I just was

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coming in the house from feeding my dog

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and uh I looked to the right and here's

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this totally

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silent object hovering over a tree line

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and uh it was oval in shape

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white is silverish kind of a thing and

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it was slowly moving and it scared the

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crap out of me I was just blown away by

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it and I ran in a house and I excitedly

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told my father about it and tried to get

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him to come out and by the time I

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convinced him to come out it was gone

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and he said well that's probably just a

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beacon of light reflecting off a cloud

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and I didn't buy that and shortly

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thereafter I went to the library and I

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started to look for books on UFOs and at

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that time George adamsky was the you

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know the preeminent writer of UFO stuff

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talking about his contact with the

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venusians and uh

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so I really got into it for a while and

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then it was like somebody threw a switch

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and girls became a little bit more

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interesting in my life as I got older

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and then I went off to college

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got married

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and had a couple of kids you know in

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that interim of course I was in the

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service uh in the military and uh

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settled in Connecticut and this

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opportunity came up to uh buy into a

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business in San Jose California

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and so uh I moved the family in 1985

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moved out to San Jose and I picked up

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the paper one day the San Jose Mercury

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News and Stanton Freeman was going to

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talk about UFOs in the government

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cover-up

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well that was like the switch got turned

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again and it was like oh crap I gotta go

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see this guy and he was going to talk at

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San Jose City College and so I went

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there expecting to see a handful of

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people and the auditorium was packed uh

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and uh he gave his you know usual

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inimitable lecture really did a great

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job on it you know showing all those

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redacted pages and things that the

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government sent him

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and as I'm walking out at the end of

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this thing uh mufon has a table in the

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foyer and uh so I go over there and I I

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ask them what this is all about and so

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the he tells me and and they have a

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monthly journal and so I decided okay

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after talking to this guy that I've got

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to get the journal so I started to get

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the journal

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and then after a while that wasn't

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enough for me and I understood that they

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had a field investigator as exam and so

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I I studied up and I I took the exam

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past it and uh that's when things really

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got interesting

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most of the cases that I got involved

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with were not only sightings but people

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said that they had contact with

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non-human intelligences and you know

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here I am a nuts and bolts kind of a guy

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right and now now my mind is getting

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expanded you know like oh my God you did

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what where when how and and and so

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then these people would ask me you know

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did I know of other people uh having

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similar experiences and I said yes I do

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and uh the next thing I'm doing I'm

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facilitating a support group in my

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office at work and uh and and the

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stories that came out of those sessions

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were were incredible

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um and uh it started to just learn so

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much about the phenomena and and what it

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is and what it means to these people and

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the fact that these people are really

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between a rock and a hard place because

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a lot of times they can't talk to their

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their spouses they can't talk to other

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family members they can't certainly talk

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to uh uh people at their job and even

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their clergy sometimes you know because

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then they said well it's a demon you

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know and that that's it and uh this

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so

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um I went through and this is this is

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what is really funny about hearing this

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from you

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um

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I have the exact same story

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and and in that all of this right have

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very very similar stories I was nine

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years old

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with my friend and we go to the library

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I'm you know but the TV show UFO is on

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it was 1970 or something 71 and I get

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the encyclopedia out

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UFO there's a picture the Rex Heflin

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photograph you know from Santa at the

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top at 1967 and I was hooked so that's

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when I was nine and then later on in

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life

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um uh I meet Steve Murillo our good

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friend his name is awesome and uh you

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know he's director of LA mufon and so I

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go to a mufon meeting 2008.

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and I walk in and and it was just like

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you're saying glass no I walk in and you

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know I'm I'm just kind of keep it to

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myself

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you know it's good and I hear people

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talking hey did you hear about so and so

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had an abduction experience and and

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we're gonna go to and and somebody over

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here is having a conversation did you

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see those recent photographs I'm like

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my people right

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we can talk like this in public yeah and

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that was it man I I I I

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that mufon was the place to be yeah and

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and to gather and you know how Steve did

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those just like you guys up in Northern

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California

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um that was a big meeting man I mean

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that was big it was hundreds of people

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there oh yeah that's a very good chapter

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very good chapter down there yeah it was

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amazing and it was exactly as as your

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your emotional personal reasons for

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doing this it's mine and it's so many

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others too and that's why we get

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together as a community absolutely

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absolutely and you know the story it it

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it

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I I've always you know wondered besides

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that initial experience that I had why

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did I continue to to to be so involved

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and and as as now that I'm retired I'm

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even more involved in all of this and uh

390
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and there there was a couple of times

391
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when I decided okay I've done this I you

392
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know I set up the organization I think

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I'm gonna bail out

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the universe won't let me

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know

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you got it yeah it's the Godfather man

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it's the Godfather yeah you're De Niro

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and uh it's really true every time you

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try to walk away yep they suck you back

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in yep now

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um I like the the nuts and bolts aspect

402
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of of reality because we were all there

403
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at one point you start to learn more I

404
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don't think the nuts and bolts stuff has

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gone away oh no it's a it's a mix of

406
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everything but you start to you know

407
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through your own experiences and and

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conversations and meeting other people

409
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that there's a whole lot to this story

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that we don't understand yet how did you

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start to make that transition

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well I think the transition

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was was brought up brought to me uh by

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these people uh because they they needed

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help in some way shape or form and so in

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the very beginning when I was basically

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just strictly a mufon investigator

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um and you know it started the support

419
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group

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um one day

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um I got a call from uh it was uh it was

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uh

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I forget who who was the international

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director at the time I got this call

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there was a reporter from the Monterey

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Coast weekly paper that wanted to talk

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to an investigator he was writing an

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article about UFOs in the whole nine

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yards so he contacted me

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and uh

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um

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so we set up a meeting and he took my

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picture and we we sat down and talked

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for an hour two hours and he wrote this

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article up and shortly after the article

436
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came out I got a call from a a woman

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down in Carmel and she said I saw your

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article I'm really interested

439
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um I I want to understand what's going

440
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on with my brain weights when I'm in

441
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contact with these off Earthly entities

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and I say to myself well I I don't know

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how to help this person in that way and

444
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then she said she was working with an

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emergency room doctor down in Carmel uh

446
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who was a friend and I and I right away

447
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that triggered something that I had a

448
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doctor friend name was Eugene Lipson who

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actually co-founded Opus with me

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um I called him up and I said there's a

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doctor down there that's really into

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this whole UFO thing and uh why don't we

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just go down there and and meet this

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this person you know both of them so we

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did we walked into her home and on the

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wall uh it was a picture of her standing

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on the back of a vessel obviously in

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some tropical environment as it turned

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out it was the Caribbean and um I said

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what were you doing down there just out

461
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of curiosity and she says well I was

462
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helping these treasure hunters and I

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said really how were you doing that she

464
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says well I was in contact with the

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captain of The Galleon that had gone

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down

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so it was one of those Carmel homes

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oh my God yeah right so evidently she

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became very psychic after a near-death

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experience let me just jump in yeah the

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audience doesn't understand

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Carmel there is there is there is what

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you picture as nice and then you

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then there's caramel right and uh that

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is an incredible so was this I say this

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with the wink and a knot but was it a

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Carmel home

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no actually she was she was not in a

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what you would call a Carmel home it was

480
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Carmel yeah yeah she wasn't on 17 Mile

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Drive or anything like that so I've done

482
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that drive by the way yeah that's

483
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beautiful I've rubber necked on that

484
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drive a few times yeah yeah it's a

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that's a good drive okay so anyway so

486
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anyway so we we and she started telling

487
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us stuff about ourselves that there was

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no possible way she could understand

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that you know one of the one of the uh

490
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the traits of these people that have had

491
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contact with non-human intelligence is

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that they they come away with telepathic

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capabilities with psychic abilities uh

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healing abilities

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um you know I uh I gave a presentation

496
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at the muffon's Symposium two years ago

497
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in Vegas and uh in the audience uh was

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uh

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brain fart on on his name

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um it was the it was the uh major at

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Maelstrom Air Force Base

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um Salas Robert yeah Robert Salas and

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his wife okay and they came up to me

504
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after we said Can can we talk to you and

505
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I said sure So we went over to my table

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in the exhibitor area

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because I was Hawking my book at the

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time

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and uh

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they start telling me this story about

511
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their abduction

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they have both been abducted and she

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came back and she never had this ability

514
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beforehand to heal people

515
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this healing capability and and so this

516
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phenomena it's not just one phenomena

517
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it's a multitude of phenomena

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and uh it it it has so many different

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branches to it you know people talk

520
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about the fact and and we did we did a a

521
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research project uh just recently we

522
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just finished the first phase of it

523
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called the omega-4 project and we sent

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this out to uh a therapist and and we

525
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wanted to know what was the the main

526
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thing that their their clients talked

527
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about and and the four things came back

528
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was the greatest number one

529
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orbs number two

530
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no uh yes and Interventional is number

531
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three and number four was Poltergeist

532
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activity and and so I I really firmly

533
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believe that all of all of these

534
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,840
paranormal phenomena are interrelated in

535
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some way shape or form

536
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:41,100
it's uh it's physics

537
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:43,980
you know what I mean it's just it's just

538
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a particles interacting with each other

539
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I totally agree with you you know I

540
00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:50,100
think that in the end when we start

541
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connecting the dots we're going to see

542
00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:55,020
that the phenomena no matter what we're

543
00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:58,380
talking about is is all related

544
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:00,659
um and we just don't we don't have the

545
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:03,179
capability to understand that yet we're

546
00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:07,980
getting there uh but right now

547
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um

548
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:10,980
you brought up cave paintings

549
00:25:15,850 --> 00:25:14,159
and so if we look at it like that if we

550
00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:15,860
look into deep history

551
00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:21,179
and you see the the paintings or you see

552
00:25:27,649 --> 00:25:24,840
sculpture you see art and then you hear

553
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,659
the mythology and and the folklore and

554
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:29,760
you read some of the text

555
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,039
they were trying to say they didn't have

556
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:34,080
the words

557
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,039
to express what they were experiencing

558
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:40,799
you know so it's Angels his voices from

559
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:44,100
heaven then God said to do it this way

560
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:47,760
or you know these different concepts and

561
00:25:52,690 --> 00:25:50,520
that goes with ghost or or the afterlife

562
00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:52,700
or parallel worlds they didn't know

563
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:56,360
right right right as a matter of fact

564
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,340
that's a good point because one of the

565
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:01,919
one of the uh sections in in the book I

566
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:04,620
talk about ancient descriptions you know

567
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:06,299
like the Romans talking about these

568
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,000
shining shields in the sky they called

569
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,299
them Shields you know and because that's

570
00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:13,919
the closest thing they could equate it

571
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,220
to uh and and there's just a plethora of

572
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:19,620
History you know going back to the

573
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:22,919
Greeks the Romans uh and beyond that

574
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:25,500
talk about seeing these things and they

575
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:27,480
described in various ways you know as

576
00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:31,740
you say God's uh Angels you name it

577
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:34,980
it's it's all the same thing yeah I mean

578
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:37,860
it there isn't

579
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:42,299
um I remember uh L.A Marzulli and I uh

580
00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:45,480
I'm not name-dropping but he has got

581
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:47,900
such a great take on this subject right

582
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:52,740
and and I always thought the first time

583
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:54,900
I wasn't

584
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:57,539
it wasn't until I was like 21 years old

585
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:01,440
where I actually sat down and decided to

586
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,000
read the Bible

587
00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:05,760
I read it as a book I am not a religious

588
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:08,039
thing just read it as a book page one

589
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:10,740
Genesis right and you know Tim and read

590
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:13,140
this thing through and and I got to the

591
00:27:17,529 --> 00:27:16,440
end and I you know what popped into my

592
00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:17,539
head

593
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:20,900
if I insert aliens

594
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:31,970
and La goes Jimmy it's a great it's

595
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:35,220
science fiction yeah look at it like

596
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,700
that it's it's not any different and and

597
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:40,559
I agree they just didn't have another

598
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:45,240
way to to word it so you know it's not a

599
00:27:50,049 --> 00:27:47,940
religion thing it's just it's it's it's

600
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,059
it's it's it's

601
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,740
the lack of we don't have the right

602
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:54,539
words to use

603
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,480
with our experiences today we don't have

604
00:28:00,769 --> 00:27:59,279
those words yet well what one of the

605
00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:00,779
things that that I've come to the

606
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:02,700
conclusion and I think a number of other

607
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:05,340
people have also come to the same

608
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:08,279
conclusion that the these these

609
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:11,159
experiences that the uh people are

610
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:13,740
having with non-human intelligences it

611
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,720
becomes a spiritual journey not a

612
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:17,520
religious Journey but a spiritual

613
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:22,140
journey and a a changing of a person's

614
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:24,059
Consciousness

615
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:27,179
um and uh you know almost without

616
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:29,159
exception these people come back after

617
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:31,140
an experience and say hey

618
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:34,020
they're I'm being told that we need to

619
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:36,360
be better stewards of the planet we need

620
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:38,100
to be better to one another we need to

621
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:40,380
be more loving I mean these are all very

622
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,140
positive things you know and then of

623
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,120
course there's a other people that have

624
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,760
had really terrible experiences but the

625
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:50,640
majority of people it seems uh have had

626
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,240
positive experiences uh with these even

627
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:56,880
though the beginning stages are are

628
00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:01,919
traumatic very traumatic now okay let's

629
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:03,659
let's stay right there for a second Les

630
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:06,600
because this is very important we can go

631
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,260
and watch fire in the sky right and you

632
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:12,539
know look at Betty and Barney Hill you

633
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,240
know and and you know the the lovely

634
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,340
Kathleen Martin and sit down and have

635
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,279
conversations about the stuff but

636
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:23,360
um you get into

637
00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:27,539
millions of people it's not just you

638
00:29:35,409 --> 00:29:31,860
know a handful of it's It's millions and

639
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:35,419
it can't be some deeply rooted common

640
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,899
psychosis right it can't be that there

641
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:41,760
has to be something else going on right

642
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:45,120
absolutely you know and you mentioned

643
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:47,340
millions of people we you know uh Bud

644
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:51,000
Hopkins and David Jacobs uh uh had that

645
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:54,299
Roper pole done in 80 to 92 that the

646
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,960
Bigelow uh financed I guess and uh you

647
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,520
know they came up with a number like one

648
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:01,919
in fifty or like six million people at

649
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:04,740
that time were having experiences just

650
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:07,080
in the United States that's here that's

651
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:09,480
just here and so if you you

652
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,539
extrapolate that to this time frame and

653
00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:15,360
that it's a worldwide phenomena

654
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:16,260
um

655
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:18,419
my latest theory on all this is that

656
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:20,820
we've all had an experience whether we

657
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:23,220
consciously remember it or not

658
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:26,580
and I got a story about that one of the

659
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:28,740
support group meetings

660
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:31,740
that I had when I was in San Jose a

661
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:33,240
person in the group says to me I've seen

662
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,100
you before I said oh we're in a UFO

663
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:36,960
conference no I saw you on board the

664
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,039
craft

665
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:39,360
and

666
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:42,539
um I said oh really okay

667
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,659
um and I kind of blew it off and uh

668
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:48,240
it was a year and a half maybe two years

669
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:51,299
later a totally different person

670
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:53,880
you know said to me after the meeting

671
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:55,980
I've seen you before and I said really

672
00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:58,260
UFO what's your UFO conference he said

673
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,419
no no you were sitting on this bench

674
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,100
naked on board the craft and you were

675
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:03,600
freaking out and they told me to go over

676
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:05,880
to you to calm you down now what do you

677
00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:15,970
normally a a normie would go man

678
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,520
okay somebody's nuts right but you can't

679
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,679
do that because we've all had our own

680
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,960
experiences that are just as valid as

681
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,080
anybody else's right right right so I do

682
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:31,080
that I I decided I'll go get regressed I

683
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:34,200
wanted to find out what I had three

684
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:37,919
separate regressions none of them

685
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:40,500
could I come up with anything related to

686
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:44,820
you know UFO or alien type things but I

687
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:48,059
had multiple past lives multiple past

688
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,340
lives and

689
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:53,220
one of the people that I I came in

690
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:56,100
contact with uh shortly thereafter said

691
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:57,960
well you know maybe these people have

692
00:32:05,230 --> 00:32:00,600
tapped into a past life that you had

693
00:32:12,769 --> 00:32:08,810
uh well uh June Steiner yeah of course

694
00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:12,779
did it did it and uh uh oh gosh what was

695
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,580
the other gal's name

696
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,039
God I can't remember the other the other

697
00:32:22,090 --> 00:32:19,679
person that I that I utilized I did two

698
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:22,100
sessions with her and then one with June

699
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:25,380
maybe Lori McDonald no it wasn't it

700
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:26,580
wasn't Lori

701
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,220
um oh uh her first name is Diana Diana

702
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,740
I think I think I think Lori McDonald

703
00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:36,960
introduced us

704
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,720
yeah probably yeah I think so now that I

705
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:42,480
think about it absolutely absolutely

706
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:44,820
um okay so back to the regression uh

707
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,360
which is also very interesting

708
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:51,120
um do you think we're going to go back

709
00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:53,460
to regression but do you think that

710
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,380
you've been abducted I mean what's your

711
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:57,120
what's your what's your Vibe on that now

712
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:00,360
yeah my vibe on it right now is that I

713
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:03,659
don't seem to have you know any typical

714
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,320
you know no implant type of a thing no

715
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,600
markings on the body

716
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:11,360
um no physical

717
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:14,519
problems you know no nosebleeds going on

718
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,980
uh Missing time

719
00:33:24,529 --> 00:33:18,480
I

720
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:24,539
time and here's that's that's the point

721
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:27,480
I've had some pretty weird dreams

722
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,419
pretty weird dreams and so whether or

723
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:32,159
not that dream was a little bit more

724
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,159
weird Than Just A Dream is totally

725
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:36,720
possible

726
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:41,100
um but uh no I've

727
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:45,659
I'm a little I'm I'm more open now to

728
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:49,260
regression I've always put if I've been

729
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:52,620
abducted I don't want to know right that

730
00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:55,080
was that's been my take I I just I don't

731
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:56,279
want to know don't want to find out

732
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,260
right now I feel pretty good about

733
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,080
myself right and I just don't want to go

734
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:03,840
down that road but uh this past week I

735
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,960
got to see Sarah breskman cosme do a

736
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:08,240
regression

737
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:11,760
and I I sat in the back I hosted this

738
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:15,780
conference and and and so I get to see

739
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,899
the process and and see how she does I

740
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:20,879
can't speak for everybody else and I you

741
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,099
you and I have a lot of very close

742
00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:25,440
Mutual dear friends that are great

743
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:28,820
therapists but I don't know their style

744
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:33,659
but watching Sarah's process and and how

745
00:34:39,129 --> 00:34:35,639
she does it I'm a little more

746
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:41,629
it's a good point that you know you've

747
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:43,260
you've had that attitude where you know

748
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,419
I don't I don't want to you may uncover

749
00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:47,040
something that you really don't want to

750
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,339
know or you know what's the difference

751
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:52,639
no I don't want somebody else to know

752
00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:55,020
once the toothpaste is out of the tube

753
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:57,480
it's hard to put it back in as they say

754
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:59,400
right and by the way that other

755
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,740
regressionist was Diana Celeste I just

756
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:03,300
remembered her name

757
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,940
um and they were both in San Jose

758
00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:07,520
at the time

759
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,160
but um yeah it's it's uh a matter of

760
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:13,200
fact when people come to us and we can

761
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,160
talk about what how Opus helps people

762
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,640
um is that we we counsel them that hey

763
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:22,920
look if you're not absolutely sure that

764
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,900
you want to do hypnosis then you

765
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:26,820
probably shouldn't do it you need to be

766
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:29,700
really ready to do it

767
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:35,210
got that mute button let me tell you

768
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,060
something

769
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,880
this cough button right here is my

770
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:40,920
friend

771
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,140
yeah okay now you need to turn it back

772
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:45,599
on Les

773
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:52,250
um the uh

774
00:36:02,210 --> 00:35:56,480
the mysterious part about it uh for me

775
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,220
is when you go from a very pragmatic

776
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,320
View

777
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:06,540
there's the universe is a big place

778
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:08,700
there's got to be lots of Life out there

779
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:11,400
I can deal with that we're being visited

780
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:14,099
by something sure right it's just too

781
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:17,460
big of a place and and then you go from

782
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,359
that into these other layers that are

783
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,880
underneath that and one of those is the

784
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:27,119
abduction experience and that is a

785
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:30,359
that's a big step and so for you being a

786
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:34,200
field investigator when did you feel the

787
00:36:40,849 --> 00:36:37,320
need uh for not only the support groups

788
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,859
inside of mufon but of course forming uh

789
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:42,720
and founding opus

790
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:46,320
yeah I think that uh that uh a woman

791
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,300
that her name was Carol Austin by the

792
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:50,880
way who's since passed away

793
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:52,200
um

794
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:54,540
Gene Lipson and I came away from that

795
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,280
meeting with her

796
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:58,320
um and said how can we possibly help

797
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,700
people like that

798
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:02,880
and and so we decided to put together a

799
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,400
team and we we chewed on that for a

800
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:09,119
while and in 1994 uh we officially

801
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:12,599
became a 501 3C uh non-profit

802
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:16,020
organization uh by the name of Opus the

803
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:17,400
organization for paranormal

804
00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:19,260
understanding and support and our

805
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,300
mission simply put is to help people

806
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,460
having paranormal experiences and it's

807
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,440
not just strictly

808
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,599
um you know contact with non-human

809
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:30,420
intelligence is we we have associations

810
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,460
with other organizations that deal with

811
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:35,520
Poltergeist activity or Cryptids or or

812
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:38,820
things of that nature uh or or you know

813
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:42,660
demon possession uh and so

814
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:44,760
um but as it turns out most of the

815
00:37:50,109 --> 00:37:48,599
people that come to us uh are

816
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,119
classic

817
00:37:54,829 --> 00:37:53,640
experiencers contact these abductees if

818
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:54,839
you will

819
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:58,320
um and and and so what we've done

820
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:58,980
um

821
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:01,500
to help these people is uh the first

822
00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:04,440
thing that we we set up was a uh an

823
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,380
online support group uh which is totally

824
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:09,420
confidential we have almost 400 people

825
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,920
from around the world literally

826
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:12,720
literally around the world we have

827
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:15,660
people from Japan I even got one from uh

828
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:18,020
Iran in the group

829
00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:21,780
and uh South America Australia Europe of

830
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:22,859
course

831
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:25,740
um so it it and these people are talking

832
00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:28,619
you know 24 7 with one another talking

833
00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:30,599
about their experiences asking questions

834
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:33,800
getting the kind of support

835
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:36,119
it's proof probably to be the most

836
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,859
important thing for these people because

837
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:39,720
they understand they're not alone that

838
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,700
there's a lot of other people out there

839
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:44,480
that are having similar circumstances

840
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:48,420
but uh I I have to back up even a little

841
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,020
bit further sure like 2007

842
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,780
um uh one of the things that I you know

843
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,700
at the time

844
00:39:01,069 --> 00:38:59,280
mufon was still a very nuts and bolts

845
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:01,079
type type of an organization they really

846
00:39:04,270 --> 00:39:02,280
haven't

847
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:04,280
you know zeroed in on the abduction

848
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:08,280
phenomena and so uh I talked to

849
00:39:12,770 --> 00:39:10,619
um James carrion at the time who was the

850
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,780
international director

851
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,460
and uh

852
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:16,560
I said look you know I think we're

853
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:19,500
missing an opportunity here to to do

854
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,000
more with these people and understand

855
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:24,720
the phenomena better and so what

856
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,000
happened was at that time I already had

857
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:30,480
Opus set up and so I've I volunteered

858
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:32,940
our our assistants you know as an

859
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,000
organization and so you know they they

860
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:38,640
did and so all the calls that were

861
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,619
coming into mufon at that time were

862
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:42,240
redirected to me

863
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:43,980
and uh

864
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:46,980
and that was amazing to to hear these

865
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,260
people tell their stories on the phone

866
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,680
and then I would contact them afterwards

867
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:54,240
uh to understand what it is that they

868
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,500
were looking for a lot of them just

869
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:57,839
wanted to tell their story others were

870
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:00,420
looking for some type of assistance some

871
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:03,420
looking for a mental health practitioner

872
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:06,780
of some sort or a hypnotherapist and uh

873
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,680
so that prompted us to to really start

874
00:40:16,510 --> 00:40:13,440
to set up a referral Network and look

875
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:16,520
for people that were either uh

876
00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:19,740
knowledgeable in the phenomena or that

877
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:22,760
we could talk to and and basically train

878
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:26,220
uh uh you know and and give them advice

879
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:28,980
on how how to work with these people

880
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,359
um so

881
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,579
and June Steiner was it was an integral

882
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:34,560
part she was she's you know the past

883
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:38,579
president of the organization and uh so

884
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:41,820
uh it it's so we did that we set up this

885
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:44,579
referral Network and then the latest

886
00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:46,680
thing that we've done is we have a

887
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:48,119
triage team which we call the

888
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:50,760
experiencer support team that actually

889
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:53,220
now does talk to instead of me doing it

890
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:55,079
all the time we have a group of people

891
00:41:02,750 --> 00:40:56,040
that

892
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:02,760
they really need and and then we kind of

893
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:05,400
try to point them in the right direction

894
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,040
um and and it's proved to be very very

895
00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:11,520
beneficial uh as we've gotten a lot of

896
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:14,339
feedback a lot of positive feedback uh

897
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:15,900
from these people just telling us you

898
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:19,140
know how how thankful they are for the

899
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:20,520
help that they got

900
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:23,760
uh you mentioned uh I want to talk about

901
00:41:29,569 --> 00:41:26,040
the types of support but you you

902
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:29,579
mentioned Omega four but there was also

903
00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:33,300
an omega-3 was there an omega-2

904
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:36,740
um you know that's yes I think there was

905
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:39,480
we weren't involved with it uh you know

906
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,320
the Omega thing was of course uh

907
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:45,780
um the first one that came out by that

908
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:47,339
uh professor at the University of

909
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,900
Connecticut

910
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,599
um and again I'm blanking on his name

911
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:53,040
I'm spacing too but it doesn't matter

912
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:56,960
yeah so anyway but you know omega-3 uh

913
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:01,500
was actually uh James carrion wanted me

914
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:04,140
to set up a group of people to really

915
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:06,900
look at the the phenomena and so what we

916
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,440
did is we took 71 people that were uh

917
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:13,440
felt that they had been abducted and 51

918
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:15,720
people is a control group let me just

919
00:42:23,470 --> 00:42:18,660
read read you the conclusions that we

920
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:23,480
came to uh this is three yeah

921
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:26,099
where's James carrying today I always

922
00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:27,480
liked that guy

923
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:30,619
well he's out there

924
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,859
he was on a a recent uh uh documentary

925
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,480
and

926
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:39,119
um his his attitude about the whole

927
00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:43,619
phenomena is kind of uh negative uh he

928
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:46,760
thinks it's now you know all

929
00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:50,700
fabricated and you know his his turn

930
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:52,740
around on it yeah

931
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:54,599
um I was pretty surprised about that too

932
00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:55,980
which is one of the reasons why I wanted

933
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:58,859
to reach out to him where

934
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:00,420
um and I don't want to get sideways on

935
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,339
carrying uh that's that's for another

936
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:05,280
show but he seems to think that you know

937
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:07,319
this is some kind of government psyop

938
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:10,380
you know yeah using using UFOs to cover

939
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,140
up the real the real agenda that they've

940
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:15,660
got going on so as long as we think it's

941
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:19,859
UFOs right it's yeah it's a show game

942
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:22,260
and and that's kind of the way he's

943
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:24,599
looking at it you know when and is

944
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,520
moving while the other one you know and

945
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,760
and okay but always like to me carried

946
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:32,160
himself really well oh yeah I I got

947
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,500
along with him very well I I liked him

948
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:36,960
you know I I've never had an issue with

949
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,780
them but I was just surprised that uh he

950
00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:42,180
had turned around like that afterwards

951
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,900
he flip-flopped he did a complete

952
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:47,520
flip-flop okay so I'm Mega three

953
00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:50,460
conclusions so in general abductees

954
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:52,619
experiences profile differently than do

955
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,540
their comparison counterparts on a

956
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:56,640
number of General psychological and

957
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,220
specific neurological variables yet

958
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:00,720
there are remarkable similarities

959
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:02,940
between the experiential group and the

960
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:04,859
comparison group it should be noted that

961
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:07,920
in no case in no case did experiences or

962
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:10,260
comparison group participants show any

963
00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:12,660
signs of mental illness or personality

964
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:13,859
disorder

965
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,440
fantasy proneness does not appear to

966
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,660
play a differentiating role between the

967
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,400
experiential and the control groups

968
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,800
however sensitivity to Alternative

969
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:24,720
realities in early and recurrent

970
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:27,420
paranormal or Psy experiences seem to

971
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,460
play a role in the abduction experience

972
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:32,160
you know you know a lot of the debunkers

973
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:34,260
talk about the fact that you know people

974
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,380
are uh fantasy prone and so they're

975
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,839
they're making all this up

976
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:41,520
um and then they they also talk about

977
00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:44,280
sleep paralysis uh of course two-thirds

978
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,920
of the cases whether in a bedroom or not

979
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:49,680
did not involve sleep paralysis and then

980
00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:52,020
the last thing is the false memory

981
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,140
syndrome uh and the American

982
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:56,640
Psychological Association or any other

983
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,180
mainstream uh psychological diagnostic

984
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,700
system has either ratified or proven

985
00:45:08,589 --> 00:45:03,920
such a

986
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:08,599
diagnostic uh so and I think

987
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,200
Clancy uh uh the gal from Harvard uh you

988
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:16,500
utilize that the type of a thing to

989
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,060
debunk uh the uh the phenomena

990
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:23,280
childhood conflict psychosocial tension

991
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:25,319
and abuse trauma more than likely

992
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:27,900
facilitated dissociative coping style in

993
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:29,099
later life

994
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,720
how much a uh this uh dissociation plays

995
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:35,760
in the abduction experience remains an

996
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,619
open question

997
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,079
um both experience with and interest in

998
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,240
the abduction phenomena have impact on

999
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,099
how one's body is perceived to function

1000
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,319
and how one views the world and one's

1001
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:48,420
purpose in it and how one defines or

1002
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,300
redefines one's Faith or tradition and

1003
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:53,640
beliefs in Athens both experience with

1004
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,740
and interest in contact seem to change

1005
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:58,140
one's sense of self and one's worldview

1006
00:46:01,790 --> 00:46:00,060
and we talked about that earlier that

1007
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,800
these people come back with the fact

1008
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,780
that hey we need to be better stewards

1009
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,400
of the planet we need to be better to

1010
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:07,140
one another we need to be more loving

1011
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:09,540
abduction experiences believe that there

1012
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,400
is a sentient purposive alien

1013
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:13,500
intelligence at play in their lives and

1014
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,060
at work in the world

1015
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:18,240
what the intelligence's goals are seen

1016
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:20,579
to be more beneficent than benevolent

1017
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,060
more benign than malignant

1018
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:26,400
this also remains an open question and a

1019
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:27,960
point of doubt in the minds and hearts

1020
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,599
of some abductees experiences and some

1021
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:32,700
comparison control participants it also

1022
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,140
remains a point of contention among

1023
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,000
abduction researchers

1024
00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:39,599
uh the brain generally in the temporal

1025
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,579
lobes and limbic system more

1026
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,859
particularly play a mediating role in

1027
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,540
the anomalous experiences such as

1028
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,000
abduction this in no way implies that

1029
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:51,119
abductions are all are only in the

1030
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:55,260
abduction abductees heads uh rather it

1031
00:46:59,890 --> 00:46:56,760
points to the likelihood that the

1032
00:47:04,550 --> 00:46:59,900
temporal ability the rapid changeability

1033
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:04,560
uh that they is a preset or a precursor

1034
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:10,910
you know Gary Nolan from Stanford

1035
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:13,880
University uh and uh kit green have been

1036
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,540
working with a group of people and they

1037
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,599
noticed that in their in an area of

1038
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:23,040
their brain called the claudate

1039
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:24,720
interputamin there's a lot more

1040
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:27,000
connections with these people that have

1041
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:29,160
telepathic capabilities and psychic

1042
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:31,020
abilities

1043
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:32,700
and

1044
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:34,760
this whole thing

1045
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:37,980
you know to see that the the temporal

1046
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:40,380
and limbic system are are different in

1047
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,940
the experiences than in the control

1048
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,680
groups

1049
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:45,960
maybe this is why these people are being

1050
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,440
abducted this is they're they're

1051
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:50,880
following you know probably an

1052
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,460
experiment that was done eons ago and

1053
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:55,920
it's generational and you'll find that

1054
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:58,560
when you talk to an experiencer nine

1055
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:01,079
times out of ten another family member

1056
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:03,420
has had an experience or a grandparent

1057
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,380
has had an experience it's in and Gary

1058
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,119
Nolan even talks about the fact that

1059
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:11,520
some of these changes in on in our

1060
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,599
Evolution have occurred uh at such a

1061
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:18,480
rapid Pace because usually it takes 600

1062
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:22,319
000 years for our DNA to change uh in

1063
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:25,920
any way significant significantly and uh

1064
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:29,460
he says the Earth is supposedly only is

1065
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,280
only 4.5 billion years old but for all

1066
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:34,319
these changes to occurred to to be where

1067
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:37,980
we are the planet has to be a lot older

1068
00:48:43,450 --> 00:48:40,980
like nine billion years old or somebody

1069
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:43,460
was messing with us way back when

1070
00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:46,020
messing with our DNA to get us to where

1071
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:47,240
we are today

1072
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:51,780
is there is there uh not from the

1073
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:54,839
results of the study but from your

1074
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,760
experience with Opus and and certainly

1075
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:00,000
with mufon is there a typical abduction

1076
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:03,720
scenario and I was I'm bringing this up

1077
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:06,599
because I was watching and I just

1078
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:09,900
laughed I think it was Jay Leno or you

1079
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:13,200
know it was a a comedian that we know

1080
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,160
but younger in the 80s or something on

1081
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:20,400
stage and said brought up alien

1082
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:23,099
abductions and he said I just saw this

1083
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:24,180
the other day

1084
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:26,760
and he goes how come it never happens in

1085
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:30,060
the city it's always Moe and Bob in a

1086
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:33,720
swamp when they're fishing and now we

1087
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,480
and you know and it got it got a laugh

1088
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:39,000
but that's also the public perception of

1089
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:41,700
this too as well right people relate to

1090
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,599
that that that is the typical abduction

1091
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,720
is there a typical abduction well I

1092
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:51,599
think that uh you know uh Bud Hopkins

1093
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,119
talks about in one of his books about

1094
00:50:00,670 --> 00:49:56,480
the woman that was abducted in in

1095
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:00,680
downtown uh in uh you know New York City

1096
00:50:07,849 --> 00:50:03,720
yeah yeah out of her apartment and Linda

1097
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,859
cartel and and um you know I know of

1098
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,319
another person a personal friend that

1099
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:12,000
had had an experience in Oakland

1100
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:13,980
California

1101
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:17,640
daylight broad daylight in that on a

1102
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:20,579
Main Street this whole thing happened

1103
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:23,819
Dan Aykroyd

1104
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:26,220
I I got to tell you this this is a

1105
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:28,940
little Side Story okay just remember

1106
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:31,859
we're talking about things happening in

1107
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:34,140
the city yes um

1108
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,079
I had I was written up in in one of the

1109
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:39,660
mufon journals uh this is a couple of

1110
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:42,540
years ago and uh one of the questions

1111
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:44,040
they asked me who would move on would

1112
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,200
you like to meet that you haven't met

1113
00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:48,000
and I said well I love to meet Dan

1114
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:50,339
Aykroyd because Dan Aykroyd is is a

1115
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,420
member

1116
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:53,040
so

1117
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,859
um you know a month goes by after after

1118
00:51:00,849 --> 00:50:57,780
the article is written and I get a call

1119
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:00,859
at the time from Chan harzan okay

1120
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:03,540
director at the time he says hey can I

1121
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,400
give uh Dan Aykroyd your contact

1122
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:08,240
information I said hell yeah

1123
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:11,220
so you know and then another month or

1124
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,660
two goes by and and and and I'm I'm

1125
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,040
um doing something I don't even know

1126
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:19,200
where the hell I was at the time but

1127
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:20,000
um

1128
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:24,480
the phone rings and it's Dan Aykroyd and

1129
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:28,020
we start to talk about his experiences

1130
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:30,540
and a was in a hotel

1131
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:32,520
and I think it was in Montreal or

1132
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:35,400
someplace like that and this this object

1133
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:38,220
comes that right down the street and it

1134
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,900
looked like a flying bed frame it was

1135
00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:45,119
the weirdest looking thing and then I

1136
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,780
find out that his mother has had

1137
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:50,760
experiences

1138
00:51:57,049 --> 00:51:54,180
and his father was really into a

1139
00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:57,059
mediumship and and he wrote a book which

1140
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,300
he eventually Dan sent me his father's

1141
00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:02,160
book and a lot of this stuff in that

1142
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:05,099
book is where uh the Ghostbusters came

1143
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:06,140
from

1144
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:10,500
so anyway but yes things are not just

1145
00:52:14,809 --> 00:52:12,420
happening in the woods or in a swamp

1146
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:14,819
they're all over the place and they can

1147
00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:18,420
happen in broad daylight and

1148
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:21,780
because people don't some people most

1149
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:23,640
people don't see what's going on and all

1150
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,319
of a sudden it happens to one particular

1151
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:27,599
person they have some kind of incredible

1152
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,960
ability to to block whatever is going on

1153
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:32,880
in our in our minds and our in our

1154
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,059
brains uh so that they can do these kind

1155
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:38,640
of things yeah my um I'm not going to

1156
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:40,680
get into any details uh told the story

1157
00:52:46,750 --> 00:52:44,400
too many times but my little experience

1158
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:46,760
Sherman Oaks

1159
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:54,599
right right there the valley and unless

1160
00:53:02,089 --> 00:52:58,859
that night when all this went down

1161
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:02,099
I literally walked over to my sliding

1162
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:03,359
glass door

1163
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:05,640
and looked out and up

1164
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:09,420
I did I did I did I was like is there a

1165
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:10,559
ship up there

1166
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:14,280
how could how can this happen in Sherman

1167
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:17,700
Oaks but yeah yeah I'm not the only one

1168
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:20,880
with that story and John Lennon has had

1169
00:53:25,549 --> 00:53:23,400
his famous sighting in in in Manhattan

1170
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:25,559
from the top of his apartment building

1171
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:28,619
and and listening to him tell that story

1172
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:31,440
and it's it's Manhattan downtown sure

1173
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:35,040
sure no it can happen anywhere anytime

1174
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:39,240
anywhere anytime so back to the typical

1175
00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:41,460
uh the typical abduction what have you

1176
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:44,420
found what is a typical abduction

1177
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,220
they all seem to have you know the one

1178
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,920
Baseline type of a situation where a

1179
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:51,720
person sees an object

1180
00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:53,400
the next thing they know they might have

1181
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,260
missing time

1182
00:54:01,970 --> 00:53:58,800
um and then they you know uh after

1183
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:01,980
the event but when they find out what

1184
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,400
happened before that missing time they

1185
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:06,960
find out that they were brought on board

1186
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,960
a craft they were put on a table they

1187
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,520
you know if they were a male they were

1188
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:13,619
sperm taken if they were a female eggs

1189
00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:16,800
were taken uh they were probed with in

1190
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:19,020
various orifices you know and or

1191
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,920
implanted with something uh various

1192
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:24,720
fluids taken

1193
00:54:29,809 --> 00:54:27,720
um and then you know brought back uh

1194
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:29,819
whether it be

1195
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:33,680
um you know in their their own clothes

1196
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:36,359
or somebody else's clothes which happens

1197
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,240
frequently uh or put on

1198
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:41,400
the wrong way

1199
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:44,880
um and but then you know all each story

1200
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:50,700
has its nuances uh you know that uh they

1201
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,819
people see certain things in in the

1202
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:55,859
craft you know some people get the

1203
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,280
opportunity to fly the craft uh or their

1204
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,200
they they're sat down and they'd look at

1205
00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:02,880
a screen and that all this stuff and

1206
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:04,760
it's like a learning

1207
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:08,400
a proposition that's going on or they

1208
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:10,740
you know they see various creatures not

1209
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:13,020
only the Grays oh they might see a a

1210
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:15,780
mantis type or a reptilian or a Nordic

1211
00:55:21,049 --> 00:55:17,819
or a military

1212
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:21,059
our military uh on board to craft and of

1213
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,359
course this you know retired Israeli

1214
00:55:28,609 --> 00:55:26,400
General that wrote a book his name was

1215
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:28,619
Jaime shed that talks about the fact

1216
00:55:32,770 --> 00:55:30,420
that yeah we're we're working with the

1217
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:32,780
aliens and you know they don't want to

1218
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:35,160
you know show themselves yet because

1219
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,700
they feel we're not ready and uh

1220
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,980
and we have you know bases on the moon

1221
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:43,680
and on Mars and we're you know it's

1222
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:47,940
space force is alive and well

1223
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:51,680
the yeah right right right right

1224
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,440
to to hear that repeated over and over

1225
00:56:02,870 --> 00:55:58,079
again that we are not ready

1226
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:02,880
I have a truer statement cannot be said

1227
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,079
if you're ET and you're looking at us

1228
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:10,079
we're like Planet of the Apes exactly

1229
00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:14,400
well we we are backwards we're we're so

1230
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:16,619
warrior-like I mean you know we we're

1231
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:19,500
fighting all the time it's ridiculous I

1232
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:21,780
I had an interview last night with a

1233
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:24,599
with a gallon and I I finally told her I

1234
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:25,859
said you know what

1235
00:56:31,549 --> 00:56:28,500
if this planet was run by women I don't

1236
00:56:34,370 --> 00:56:31,559
think we'd be in such bad shape

1237
00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:34,380
yeah we've got too much too much too

1238
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:36,359
much testosterone running around yeah

1239
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:39,720
that's a whole another show I could

1240
00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:42,180
picture it kind of sounds like paradise

1241
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:44,339
let's take our break right here our

1242
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:46,440
guest tonight Les Velez we're talking

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about alien and ET abduction and his

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organization Opus much more when we come

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00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,319
back after this short break stay with us

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Les Velez and uh we're talking about uh

1340
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the abduction phenomenon and that's

1341
01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:58,440
exactly what it is it is worldwide it's

1342
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not just a a United States thing it's

1343
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not a swamp thing in Louisiana thing it

1344
01:01:13,970 --> 01:01:09,059
is it's everywhere and uh you brought up

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bud Hopkins and uh there's also there's

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something about and I'm I'm I've I've

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I've talked to Ralph Blumenthal about

1348
01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:21,440
this uh extensively

1349
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John Mack

1350
01:01:33,849 --> 01:01:27,200
connected the dots

1351
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:33,859
he died before we found out what it was

1352
01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:37,619
that uh you know what I mean it changed

1353
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,400
his life's Mission and and journey and I

1354
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:43,680
often wonder what was that one thing

1355
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,799
there was a moment where he had done

1356
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enough sessions where he stepped back

1357
01:01:53,809 --> 01:01:51,720
and went okay I'm all in right and yeah

1358
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:53,819
I often wonder what what that connection

1359
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was what do you think it was

1360
01:02:01,609 --> 01:01:59,400
well I think that as you said that after

1361
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:01,619
so many sessions and that was like for

1362
01:02:07,069 --> 01:02:04,799
me too listening to these people uh you

1363
01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:07,079
know in the support groups and and and

1364
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,140
the the sincerity uh you know these

1365
01:02:14,809 --> 01:02:12,960
people didn't want to you know they

1366
01:02:17,569 --> 01:02:14,819
weren't looking for fame or Fortune they

1367
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,579
they were looking for help and so

1368
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:20,640
something obviously happened and and and

1369
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:23,220
for John Mack that certainly was the

1370
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:25,980
case and I think one of the most pivotal

1371
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:29,579
things for him was that aerial School uh

1372
01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:32,339
incident where he he interviewed all

1373
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:35,940
these kids and you know

1374
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,119
they saw something it was it was it was

1375
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:41,280
so real I mean they weren't making this

1376
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:44,520
stuff up and and so at that point I

1377
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:46,140
would I would say that that was probably

1378
01:02:51,130 --> 01:02:48,599
the the key key trigger point for him

1379
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:51,140
that he just said that's it

1380
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:54,540
this is this is happening folks and you

1381
01:03:02,990 --> 01:02:59,520
know uh it's it's physical it's real and

1382
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:03,000
then you know uh the the abilities that

1383
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:06,119
they have seem like magic you know uh as

1384
01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:09,540
uh that uh you hear that uh uh talked

1385
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:11,220
about all the time you know the ability

1386
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:14,760
to to go through walls or ceilings or or

1387
01:03:22,849 --> 01:03:17,640
all kinds of different phenomena being

1388
01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:22,859
invisible or or uh or being able to

1389
01:03:27,410 --> 01:03:25,980
pick certain people in a group and the

1390
01:03:30,109 --> 01:03:27,420
rest of people don't see a thing and

1391
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:30,119
then this person is abducted right out

1392
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:31,980
of the group

1393
01:03:38,569 --> 01:03:36,839
so um now can I ask you uh about that uh

1394
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:38,579
their

1395
01:03:44,089 --> 01:03:40,980
you have to

1396
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:44,099
uh okay let's let's say it happens

1397
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:47,040
inside of your house your bedroom your

1398
01:03:49,549 --> 01:03:48,720
living room whatever but inside of a

1399
01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:49,559
home

1400
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:53,420
you have to get out of the house

1401
01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:57,240
and we if it's an abduction right it's

1402
01:04:00,890 --> 01:03:59,099
not a meeting right but if it's

1403
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:00,900
abduction

1404
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:03,720
um and we've heard different versions of

1405
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:05,480
this right passing through a window

1406
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,220
passing through a wall passing through

1407
01:04:12,589 --> 01:04:10,319
the ceiling

1408
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:12,599
um in some cases being floated out a

1409
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:14,940
door right the door is open and right

1410
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:18,960
and and and some people walk out uh what

1411
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:22,079
what do you typically hear in an

1412
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:25,740
abduction scenario how they are taken

1413
01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:30,000
yeah it seems to be very common that uh

1414
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:32,760
all of a sudden that uh you know these

1415
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:35,280
little uh gray guys come in or the brown

1416
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:38,640
or blue there's various colors

1417
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:42,960
um and uh they they can either

1418
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:45,660
physically walk you out

1419
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:48,480
you know you being in a trance or they

1420
01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:51,359
can take you right through a wall uh in

1421
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:54,359
in some way shape or form one of the

1422
01:05:02,530 --> 01:04:58,079
cases that I have in in my book uh is of

1423
01:05:06,890 --> 01:05:02,540
a uh a park ranger uh and his girlfriend

1424
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,900
and one night uh uh this this incident

1425
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:09,359
happened where they were coming back to

1426
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:12,540
this was at Sunset Beach uh just uh

1427
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,520
south of uh of Santa Cruz and uh they

1428
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:19,440
saw this object in the field there was a

1429
01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:23,220
lot of agriculture in that area and uh

1430
01:05:30,109 --> 01:05:27,240
this this huge orangey reddish object

1431
01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:30,119
was basically sitting in the field

1432
01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:32,700
and they looked at it and they turned to

1433
01:05:36,829 --> 01:05:34,680
look at it and then the next thing they

1434
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:36,839
know they felt very robotic in nature

1435
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:38,700
and they turned their heads back you

1436
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:42,240
know to the road and

1437
01:05:47,470 --> 01:05:44,940
the next thing this was like at dusk and

1438
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,480
like five something at the time

1439
01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:49,200
and

1440
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:51,660
the next thing they know they're at the

1441
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:54,960
trailer where he was actually living

1442
01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:57,900
and it was like instead of being five

1443
01:06:02,450 --> 01:05:59,400
something and only five minutes from

1444
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:02,460
where they were to where he he lives it

1445
01:06:07,730 --> 01:06:04,260
was like nine something

1446
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:07,740
they had that much missing time

1447
01:06:14,030 --> 01:06:10,740
anyway they they didn't talk about it

1448
01:06:16,250 --> 01:06:14,040
they went they finally went to to sleep

1449
01:06:19,870 --> 01:06:16,260
and that night

1450
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:19,880
he was abducted and she was able to see

1451
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:22,559
these entities come in

1452
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,400
four of them literally float him up and

1453
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,319
then take him through this the wall of

1454
01:06:32,270 --> 01:06:30,240
of the trailer

1455
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:32,280
um

1456
01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:36,000
he after this incident he was so freaked

1457
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:36,780
out

1458
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:39,240
he basically

1459
01:06:44,089 --> 01:06:42,180
disappeared he he couldn't take it he

1460
01:06:47,089 --> 01:06:44,099
ran off

1461
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,099
um and she eventually you know came to

1462
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,200
our support group and and started to

1463
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,119
tell us the story

1464
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:54,240
um and of course she she had something

1465
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:57,480
happen to her as well but she she didn't

1466
01:07:01,970 --> 01:07:00,480
want to go under hypnosis to to go you

1467
01:07:04,849 --> 01:07:01,980
know understand it but there was a mark

1468
01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:04,859
on her body and there was blood uh on

1469
01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:08,039
her hip so they did something to her but

1470
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,020
uh she didn't recall and she didn't want

1471
01:07:15,049 --> 01:07:12,240
to go any further than that it was scary

1472
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:15,059
enough just to see what happened to him

1473
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:19,920
um so but let me let me just stop for a

1474
01:07:25,730 --> 01:07:21,900
second because I I just wanna I just

1475
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:25,740
want to give you Kudos uh Jimmy

1476
01:07:30,410 --> 01:07:27,960
um for what you do

1477
01:07:33,230 --> 01:07:30,420
um it's so important for people like

1478
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,240
yourself that are having these podcasts

1479
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:35,760
and and getting the word out like this

1480
01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:40,440
because you know we're we're constantly

1481
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:42,420
trying to better understand what's

1482
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:44,220
what's happening and then these people

1483
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:46,680
that are having these experiences need

1484
01:07:52,130 --> 01:07:49,440
help and you know in in so many

1485
01:07:56,089 --> 01:07:52,140
different ways and so what you do is is

1486
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:56,099
fantastic it's it's it's needed and I

1487
01:08:02,450 --> 01:07:57,720
appreciate the hell out of you Jimmy

1488
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:02,460
you're doing a fantastic job so anyway I

1489
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:05,700
appreciate that Les and but I hear I

1490
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:08,520
hear that over and over again

1491
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,000
um uh not the Kudos part but what I do

1492
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:14,880
here over and over again is where do we

1493
01:08:22,189 --> 01:08:18,420
go who do we talk to you know there's

1494
01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:22,199
got to be something out there

1495
01:08:25,630 --> 01:08:24,060
um and that's got to be a strange Google

1496
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:25,640
Search right

1497
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:29,699
I was abducted by aliens right that's

1498
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:34,440
that's what what do you do and and

1499
01:08:41,809 --> 01:08:39,839
um the the things that bind and bond our

1500
01:08:45,229 --> 01:08:41,819
community together other are deeply

1501
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,239
deeply personal and probably none more

1502
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:48,480
personal than something like this where

1503
01:08:54,289 --> 01:08:51,660
you can't talk to your husband or your

1504
01:08:56,809 --> 01:08:54,299
wife about it right you can't talk to

1505
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:56,819
your co-workers about it right and talk

1506
01:09:03,950 --> 01:08:58,880
to you can't talk to anybody about it

1507
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:03,960
and and if you do you've got to be ready

1508
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:07,500
for some pretty strange reactions and so

1509
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:10,020
therefore people keep it inside of

1510
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:11,520
themselves

1511
01:09:17,090 --> 01:09:15,060
um I've got many mutual friends uh that

1512
01:09:20,110 --> 01:09:17,100
that we have between us that have

1513
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:20,120
support groups and they are there man

1514
01:09:24,169 --> 01:09:22,380
they can't come on Fade to Black on

1515
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,179
Tuesdays because they have stuff to do

1516
01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:25,759
right

1517
01:09:31,729 --> 01:09:29,219
on Wednesdays because they have their

1518
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:31,739
support group and and I think that that

1519
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,040
is great and I'm glad that mufon

1520
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:36,719
um and and the work of Kathleen Martin

1521
01:09:43,729 --> 01:09:40,080
you know oh yeah in this in this area is

1522
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:43,739
very very important because of the

1523
01:09:47,150 --> 01:09:45,960
um the physical side and I want to talk

1524
01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:47,160
about that

1525
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:50,460
but it's the psychological side you know

1526
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:52,679
people are going through changes and

1527
01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:55,380
they're having to deal with it by

1528
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,440
themselves working through it in their

1529
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,719
own mind and that's got to be tough yeah

1530
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:02,640
the psychological aspects of it are

1531
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:05,820
probably even more damaging than the

1532
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:08,160
physical aspects of it

1533
01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:10,440
um you know the fear the anxiety the

1534
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:15,000
PTSD uh things of that nature that these

1535
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:16,620
people Come Away with after their

1536
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:20,340
experiences uh certainly this is

1537
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:23,880
something that is very serious and if

1538
01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:26,219
not dealt with I mean it you know people

1539
01:10:29,689 --> 01:10:27,179
have

1540
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:29,699
not been able to work I mean their their

1541
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:32,880
lives were so messed up you know they

1542
01:10:37,130 --> 01:10:35,280
they ended up getting divorces they

1543
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:37,140
could you know be because their wife

1544
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:39,300
thought they were crazy

1545
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,719
um and and you know they they couldn't

1546
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:45,360
go to work on a regular basis because

1547
01:10:52,130 --> 01:10:48,600
they were taking drugs uh to suppress

1548
01:10:56,209 --> 01:10:52,140
the the feelings the anxiety the fear

1549
01:10:59,330 --> 01:10:56,219
um it's horrible it's horrible and uh so

1550
01:11:02,570 --> 01:10:59,340
uh this is why you know I think that uh

1551
01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:02,580
what we're trying to do as best we can

1552
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,420
is to point these people uh in the right

1553
01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:07,920
direction whether it's a support group

1554
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:08,940
whether it's a mental health

1555
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,219
practitioner to get the kind of help

1556
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:13,199
that they they're really looking for and

1557
01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:16,560
what part of the the study that we uh

1558
01:11:21,950 --> 01:11:19,140
just uh did the first phase of the

1559
01:11:25,370 --> 01:11:21,960
omega-4 study uh when we went out to the

1560
01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:25,380
therapist we asked them you know what

1561
01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:28,500
type of modality do you utilize to to

1562
01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:32,280
help these people and edmr as far as

1563
01:11:38,570 --> 01:11:34,739
hypnosis is concerned was like the the

1564
01:11:42,110 --> 01:11:38,580
number one followed by qhht

1565
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,120
um and and so um uh this is something

1566
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:44,640
then that we could translate and put out

1567
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:47,159
there to the people on our Referral List

1568
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,860
and and try to bring them up to speed

1569
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:52,320
and and to to give them the the kind of

1570
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:54,000
information that they need to help these

1571
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:54,719
people

1572
01:12:01,070 --> 01:11:58,320
I I can only imagine that the the

1573
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,080
typical first conversation that you have

1574
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:03,120
with somebody is

1575
01:12:07,630 --> 01:12:04,800
I've never really talked about this

1576
01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:07,640
before right is that how it starts out

1577
01:12:13,870 --> 01:12:11,219
oh yeah well they say you know uh you'll

1578
01:12:16,970 --> 01:12:13,880
probably think I'm crazy right right

1579
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:16,980
and and then a lot of these people that

1580
01:12:21,229 --> 01:12:18,600
come to us have already gone to a

1581
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:21,239
psychologist or a psychiatrist and they

1582
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:23,820
find out that they're not crazy and so

1583
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:25,860
then what you know what what's the next

1584
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:28,020
step for them and then then they they

1585
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:31,140
start trying to search and find places

1586
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:34,860
that they can uh you know comfortably uh

1587
01:12:41,330 --> 01:12:38,520
uh you know tell their story

1588
01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:41,340
um and we're we're totally neutral you

1589
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:45,060
know we we we uh we monitor the the

1590
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:48,239
support group very closely uh over the

1591
01:12:52,669 --> 01:12:50,760
years uh since we set it up I've I

1592
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:52,679
probably only had to kick out like three

1593
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,719
people that got on their high horse and

1594
01:12:57,169 --> 01:12:55,920
said well this is the only way it

1595
01:13:00,890 --> 01:12:57,179
possibly can be and you're all crazy

1596
01:13:02,410 --> 01:13:00,900
right right right right

1597
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:02,420
um I have

1598
01:13:09,729 --> 01:13:06,239
and I know that you've done this too

1599
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:09,739
but I've had the opportunity many times

1600
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,679
to sit down face to face with Travis

1601
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:15,360
Walton and look straight into his

1602
01:13:22,490 --> 01:13:19,140
eyeballs and you know now he's a very

1603
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,500
smart guy very intelligent

1604
01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:25,440
um and and things but you know he went

1605
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,020
through some stuff oh absolutely it's

1606
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:30,480
the same thing with Whitley

1607
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,280
um Whitley's been a guest at my house

1608
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:35,520
and and uh you know I just I love that

1609
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:37,320
guy to death you know he's a friend of

1610
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:39,900
mine I actually had I had Travis at my

1611
01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:43,679
house and and uh this was years ago uh

1612
01:13:51,169 --> 01:13:48,060
and uh with uh one of his uh uh buddies

1613
01:13:54,649 --> 01:13:51,179
that was on that on that uh trip there

1614
01:13:56,510 --> 01:13:54,659
with him and uh uh he was telling the

1615
01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:56,520
stories about the government how the

1616
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,440
government was hounding him to just be

1617
01:14:02,510 --> 01:14:00,719
quiet yeah they didn't want him to talk

1618
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,520
they didn't want him to talk at all

1619
01:14:07,729 --> 01:14:04,320
about this stuff I had a conversation

1620
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:07,739
with Travis about that uh one night

1621
01:14:15,709 --> 01:14:11,040
um and where was that oh

1622
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,719
I think I I spoke at uh the mufon uh

1623
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:17,520
International Symposium

1624
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,080
and uh this was uh uh many years ago

1625
01:14:27,610 --> 01:14:24,719
um but Travis came out and and hung out

1626
01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:27,620
with us out on the patio uh of the hotel

1627
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:30,600
and we we just got into this

1628
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:33,780
conversation about that and that was

1629
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:37,800
very strange uh to and he's got uh he's

1630
01:14:44,810 --> 01:14:40,380
got very strong opinions about this he

1631
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,820
is he's very smart and it's not it's not

1632
01:14:49,490 --> 01:14:46,800
typically what you hear from Travis

1633
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:49,500
because most most

1634
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:51,960
um uh people that interview him ask him

1635
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:54,420
the same five questions and he's you

1636
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:55,560
know he's got to go through it but

1637
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,620
Travis has a lot to say yeah and so does

1638
01:15:02,930 --> 01:15:00,719
Whitley you know and you look in

1639
01:15:04,490 --> 01:15:02,940
Whitley's eyes it's the same thing with

1640
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:04,500
Travis

1641
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,360
um you can see the and feel the

1642
01:15:11,149 --> 01:15:08,400
sincerity but you know that they went

1643
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,159
through some stuff man oh yeah it's the

1644
01:15:15,729 --> 01:15:13,440
same thing that anybody else that goes

1645
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:15,739
through an experience like this that

1646
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:18,960
trauma may be the right word word

1647
01:15:26,209 --> 01:15:23,520
um with that how many consider it a

1648
01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:26,219
negative experience and how many would

1649
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:29,460
wouldn't mind it doing it again yeah

1650
01:15:35,149 --> 01:15:32,400
well there's been various studies done

1651
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:35,159
and and the the numbers that keep coming

1652
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,340
up is that like 60 to 70 percent of the

1653
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:41,040
people feel that they want these uh

1654
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:44,340
situations to continue and so then the

1655
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:47,340
the rest of them are the the negative uh

1656
01:15:52,450 --> 01:15:49,980
experiences that seem to continue to be

1657
01:15:57,290 --> 01:15:52,460
negative uh and that these people cannot

1658
01:15:58,970 --> 01:15:57,300
get past uh that scenario and and I

1659
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,980
believe it's just like here on the

1660
01:16:02,030 --> 01:16:00,480
planet we have good people and we have

1661
01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:02,040
bad people right

1662
01:16:06,169 --> 01:16:04,020
we got the same thing going on up there

1663
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:06,179
we have we have some good aliens and we

1664
01:16:11,330 --> 01:16:08,100
have some badass aliens

1665
01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:11,340
uh what what what would you consider a a

1666
01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:14,100
negative or bad experience

1667
01:16:18,189 --> 01:16:16,440
well I think what it is is that uh

1668
01:16:21,290 --> 01:16:18,199
people are having

1669
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,300
procedures done on them that are really

1670
01:16:27,890 --> 01:16:24,239
painful and and and then they also come

1671
01:16:30,110 --> 01:16:27,900
back with uh illnesses that uh they uh

1672
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,120
they uh you know

1673
01:16:35,450 --> 01:16:32,640
didn't have before the experience so

1674
01:16:40,010 --> 01:16:35,460
it's it's obviously a factor of of

1675
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,020
having that experience uh and uh in that

1676
01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:42,239
that book I mentioned skin workers at

1677
01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:44,940
the Pentagon you know they this this uh

1678
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:47,880
person uh uh an orb entered their body

1679
01:16:52,850 --> 01:16:49,860
and certainly thereafter they they had

1680
01:16:55,729 --> 01:16:52,860
an autoimmune disease uh situation go on

1681
01:16:57,290 --> 01:16:55,739
but orbs have also been just the

1682
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:57,300
opposite they've gone into a person's

1683
01:17:01,790 --> 01:16:58,980
body and cured cancer

1684
01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:01,800
so uh you know so maybe there's good

1685
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:03,900
orbs and there's bad orbs

1686
01:17:09,709 --> 01:17:06,719
um it's a real mixed bag it really is a

1687
01:17:13,070 --> 01:17:09,719
mixed bag uh thank goodness the majority

1688
01:17:15,770 --> 01:17:13,080
are are positive though yeah it it seems

1689
01:17:19,010 --> 01:17:15,780
that way and then

1690
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:19,020
um I had somebody mention uh to me this

1691
01:17:24,410 --> 01:17:22,199
is about a year ago uh at a conference

1692
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:24,420
and said Jimmy you know I heard what you

1693
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:25,679
said the other night

1694
01:17:30,370 --> 01:17:27,840
um on the show

1695
01:17:34,490 --> 01:17:30,380
um and no

1696
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:34,500
in general being abducted against your

1697
01:17:40,010 --> 01:17:37,620
will is not a fun experience no matter

1698
01:17:43,970 --> 01:17:40,020
what you experience while you're out

1699
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:43,980
there right you're still abducted and uh

1700
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:47,040
so in general it's got to be a negative

1701
01:17:50,450 --> 01:17:48,719
thing and I thought that that was a

1702
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:50,460
pretty interesting thing yeah I I think

1703
01:17:55,550 --> 01:17:53,580
and we talked about that a little while

1704
01:18:00,669 --> 01:17:55,560
ago is the fact that certainly the the

1705
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:00,679
initial contact is extremely stressful

1706
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:04,620
extremely negative I mean you know you

1707
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:06,000
have these little guys coming to your

1708
01:18:09,290 --> 01:18:07,199
room and the next thing you know you're

1709
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:09,300
on board a craft and it's it's there and

1710
01:18:14,930 --> 01:18:11,820
they're sticking things in every orifice

1711
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:14,940
and yeah

1712
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:18,719
and and then for whatever reason you

1713
01:18:26,330 --> 01:18:22,679
know uh these experiences you know as

1714
01:18:30,830 --> 01:18:26,340
they continue in in most cases they do

1715
01:18:34,189 --> 01:18:30,840
um uh that person comes to accept it and

1716
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,199
not be as traumatized by it uh and

1717
01:18:41,090 --> 01:18:36,480
sometimes they people Strike Up

1718
01:18:44,450 --> 01:18:41,100
relations with individual uh aliens and

1719
01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:44,460
so that every time an incident happens

1720
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:47,940
that same alien is with the person and

1721
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:50,880
and so uh it becomes again less

1722
01:18:57,410 --> 01:18:53,760
stressful uh because there seems to be

1723
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,420
an amicable uh relationship there

1724
01:19:05,050 --> 01:19:00,000
um so now

1725
01:19:09,169 --> 01:19:05,060
um what about uh the the

1726
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:09,179
positive side of this because no matter

1727
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:13,260
what we can say about an abduction right

1728
01:19:19,090 --> 01:19:15,600
and and how that happens I I get that

1729
01:19:21,290 --> 01:19:19,100
part but it just seems to me

1730
01:19:23,149 --> 01:19:21,300
that and you're right there's good and

1731
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:23,159
bad in everything I I understand that

1732
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:26,400
but if they really wanted to make our

1733
01:19:31,010 --> 01:19:27,960
life bad

1734
01:19:33,229 --> 01:19:31,020
I think we would know it right I I just

1735
01:19:34,729 --> 01:19:33,239
think if they wanted to take over the

1736
01:19:36,410 --> 01:19:34,739
world if they wanted to turn us into

1737
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:36,420
slaves if they wanted to do that yeah

1738
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:38,520
they wanted to you know I think that we

1739
01:19:44,290 --> 01:19:41,280
would see evidence of that and and we

1740
01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:44,300
don't that's well bad things don't go on

1741
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,580
because they do well I think I think

1742
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:49,679
there's an aspect of this whole thing

1743
01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:53,880
the hybridization process that uh is

1744
01:19:58,729 --> 01:19:55,860
being talked about

1745
01:20:02,750 --> 01:19:58,739
um where this the sperm and eggs are

1746
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:02,760
being taken harvested uh from us and

1747
01:20:09,010 --> 01:20:05,940
then these uh hybrid creatures you know

1748
01:20:13,570 --> 01:20:09,020
the mixing of uh our DNA with their DNA

1749
01:20:15,130 --> 01:20:13,580
uh creates uh creates these uh

1750
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:15,140
entities

1751
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:18,840
that in some cases according to David

1752
01:20:24,830 --> 01:20:21,840
Jacobs he calls them hubris you can't

1753
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:24,840
even tell them apart from you and I

1754
01:20:30,530 --> 01:20:27,719
um there was a book written years ago uh

1755
01:20:32,450 --> 01:20:30,540
by women by the name of Helena oh and

1756
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:32,460
the name of the book is Rachel's eyes

1757
01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:35,640
it's a great book by the way okay so you

1758
01:20:41,090 --> 01:20:39,480
know that yes yeah and and you know her

1759
01:20:43,010 --> 01:20:41,100
daughter went to school with a hybrid

1760
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:43,020
and the military was bringing her food

1761
01:20:46,910 --> 01:20:46,080
because she couldn't have regular food

1762
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:46,920
um

1763
01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:50,400
and uh yeah Helen Helen's still alive I

1764
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:53,340
I talked to her probably last year and

1765
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:56,820
uh she has some more information but she

1766
01:21:02,390 --> 01:20:58,920
says I I can't release it until I kick

1767
01:21:04,669 --> 01:21:02,400
the bucket which is yeah I heard I I

1768
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,679
heard some chatter about that too as

1769
01:21:08,510 --> 01:21:06,000
well

1770
01:21:11,330 --> 01:21:08,520
um but we do need Rachel's uh Rachel's

1771
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:11,340
Eyes Part Two for sure but here here's

1772
01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:14,580
the uh here's the thing you said earlier

1773
01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:18,300
in the show that when somebody says no

1774
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:20,760
you guys are all wrong I'm telling you

1775
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:24,600
how it how it really goes down that you

1776
01:21:29,709 --> 01:21:26,219
you are so correct

1777
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:29,719
there has to be and it's a numbers game

1778
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,400
there has to be tens of thousands of E.T

1779
01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:38,159
Advanced civilizations visiting this

1780
01:21:44,270 --> 01:21:41,640
planet it's not just one but and there

1781
01:21:47,209 --> 01:21:44,280
isn't you know just one experience and

1782
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:47,219
and that's it no It's gotta be it'll

1783
01:21:51,890 --> 01:21:49,980
cross the board different you know it it

1784
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,900
just has to be that way then there's

1785
01:21:58,370 --> 01:21:53,760
there's no way that there was only one

1786
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,380
agenda yeah oh yeah I I totally agree

1787
01:22:03,410 --> 01:22:00,480
um you know supposedly there's you know

1788
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:03,420
a group of uh good aliens and there's a

1789
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,100
group of bad aliens and the good aliens

1790
01:22:09,050 --> 01:22:07,199
are constantly fighting off the bad ones

1791
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,060
from doing what they want to do to us

1792
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:11,040
and so so far I guess they've been

1793
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:12,300
winning

1794
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:15,360
um but uh you know

1795
01:22:20,689 --> 01:22:18,000
so much of this is conjecture because we

1796
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:20,699
don't have a definitive answer for most

1797
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,000
of this you know we we have

1798
01:22:29,209 --> 01:22:26,400
people that have had these experiences

1799
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:29,219
tell us their stories and there seems to

1800
01:22:36,530 --> 01:22:33,179
be a Common Thread so that much we know

1801
01:22:39,709 --> 01:22:36,540
okay but beyond that you know what's

1802
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:39,719
their true agenda you know whether it's

1803
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:42,300
it's it's to eventually take over the

1804
01:22:47,390 --> 01:22:45,000
planet by hybridizing everybody you know

1805
01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:47,400
aren't we already hybrids

1806
01:22:53,689 --> 01:22:50,340
right yeah well that's that's yeah and

1807
01:22:56,750 --> 01:22:53,699
we already oh we have to be I mean

1808
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:56,760
that's I know I don't want to sound like

1809
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:00,719
I'm a complete idiot listen it's just

1810
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:04,380
that DNA is universal right and when

1811
01:23:12,110 --> 01:23:08,400
that Universal means the universe right

1812
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:12,120
so I would think that we're all we're

1813
01:23:17,090 --> 01:23:14,640
all kind of the same uh I don't think

1814
01:23:18,649 --> 01:23:17,100
our DNA is much different than alien DNA

1815
01:23:20,630 --> 01:23:18,659
it's going to be different uh we're

1816
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:20,640
different our DNA is a little bit

1817
01:23:26,689 --> 01:23:23,940
different than a banana but it's still

1818
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:26,699
DNA right yeah right

1819
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:29,520
um but there is a Common Thread I want

1820
01:23:35,090 --> 01:23:32,040
to uh I want to shift gears a little bit

1821
01:23:38,510 --> 01:23:35,100
that I've heard a lot

1822
01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:38,520
um and I remember we remember Nadine

1823
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:41,340
laylich right yes yeah I haven't heard

1824
01:23:45,250 --> 01:23:43,380
from her in a while I wonder how she's

1825
01:23:48,649 --> 01:23:45,260
doing anyway

1826
01:23:50,330 --> 01:23:48,659
Nadine uh dishes guest on on Fade to

1827
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,340
block a couple of times but I also

1828
01:23:56,450 --> 01:23:53,040
watched her uh speak I gotta I'm losing

1829
01:24:03,169 --> 01:23:59,169
I blew out my voice on this cruise I

1830
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,179
yelled for seven days yep

1831
01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:06,239
um and so Nadine

1832
01:24:11,630 --> 01:24:09,300
said something that

1833
01:24:13,850 --> 01:24:11,640
caught my attention and I've heard it

1834
01:24:16,130 --> 01:24:13,860
repeated over and over again

1835
01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:16,140
in a room

1836
01:24:21,050 --> 01:24:19,380
meeting this type of this and this and

1837
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:21,060
this but in the back

1838
01:24:28,130 --> 01:24:25,679
is somebody in a U.S military uniform

1839
01:24:31,550 --> 01:24:28,140
do you hear that a lot

1840
01:24:32,810 --> 01:24:31,560
you don't hear it a lot but you do hear

1841
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:32,820
it

1842
01:24:39,169 --> 01:24:36,060
um you know and and that's when I I

1843
01:24:41,290 --> 01:24:39,179
mentioned the fact that you know are

1844
01:24:44,090 --> 01:24:41,300
they extraterrestrial are they

1845
01:24:46,610 --> 01:24:44,100
interdimensional are they Time Travelers

1846
01:24:49,850 --> 01:24:46,620
are they are military

1847
01:24:51,729 --> 01:24:49,860
or all the above which I believe it is

1848
01:24:54,770 --> 01:24:51,739
it's all the above

1849
01:24:57,649 --> 01:24:54,780
do you think uh when when people make

1850
01:25:02,030 --> 01:24:57,659
those comments uh you know Witnesses and

1851
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:02,040
things that the government is aware

1852
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:05,520
and that's one and two

1853
01:25:13,490 --> 01:25:10,320
could some of these abductions be staged

1854
01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:13,500
I I wouldn't put it past them to to do

1855
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:16,020
something like that yeah I mean well you

1856
01:25:20,930 --> 01:25:18,300
know Melinda Leslie talks about her Mill

1857
01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:20,940
lab uh you know type of abduction and

1858
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,340
what happened with her uh and it was

1859
01:25:27,310 --> 01:25:25,199
basically a fact-finding mission that

1860
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:27,320
the military put together

1861
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,400
but um yeah I I think there's so many uh

1862
01:25:38,630 --> 01:25:35,280
uh scenarios that are possible with all

1863
01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:38,640
of this you know High strangeness uh

1864
01:25:43,070 --> 01:25:40,980
that that is going on

1865
01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:43,080
um and and

1866
01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:45,239
where where you know what's the end

1867
01:25:51,290 --> 01:25:48,780
point of this or you know people who you

1868
01:25:53,450 --> 01:25:51,300
know that think about the fact that uh

1869
01:25:56,030 --> 01:25:53,460
well you know they're gonna come in here

1870
01:25:58,970 --> 01:25:56,040
and they're gonna take us over and you

1871
01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:58,980
know destroy our way of life and well I

1872
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:01,080
think if if they wanted to do something

1873
01:26:07,610 --> 01:26:02,639
like that they could have done it eons

1874
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,620
ago and uh right now uh I I think

1875
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,120
they're there they might be just a

1876
01:26:12,370 --> 01:26:10,800
little bit nervous about trying to do

1877
01:26:16,370 --> 01:26:12,380
anything with us

1878
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,380
Isaac Arthur great physicist and an

1879
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:18,960
amazing guest on the show many times

1880
01:26:24,530 --> 01:26:21,000
um he said something that really opened

1881
01:26:28,129 --> 01:26:24,540
up my eyes he goes Jimmy you know we

1882
01:26:30,410 --> 01:26:28,139
always talk about uh you know uh aliens

1883
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,420
releasing a virus and taking over the

1884
01:26:35,390 --> 01:26:32,400
planet and wiping us out or coming here

1885
01:26:38,090 --> 01:26:35,400
with with Photon cannons and having an

1886
01:26:40,970 --> 01:26:38,100
alien war and Independence Day situation

1887
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:40,980
he goes that's how they would do it I go

1888
01:26:47,689 --> 01:26:44,639
how would they do it he goes easy

1889
01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:47,699
you pull into our solar system at the

1890
01:26:52,370 --> 01:26:49,260
speed of light

1891
01:26:55,490 --> 01:26:52,380
and then you hit the brakes when you

1892
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:55,500
dump your garbage

1893
01:27:03,169 --> 01:26:59,760
I said that's interesting

1894
01:27:07,490 --> 01:27:03,179
hit planet Earth with your garbage at

1895
01:27:10,729 --> 01:27:07,500
the speed of light simple easy and and I

1896
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:10,739
went now now you stop and you think

1897
01:27:16,570 --> 01:27:14,280
about now as as far-fetched and funny as

1898
01:27:20,209 --> 01:27:16,580
that may be

1899
01:27:23,090 --> 01:27:20,219
what he is suggesting is it's not that

1900
01:27:26,030 --> 01:27:23,100
complicated right if they wanted to do

1901
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:26,040
it they have a solution to doing it and

1902
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:28,440
it would be very very easy well

1903
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,380
obviously they're they're far Advanced

1904
01:27:37,310 --> 01:27:33,840
with the capabilities that these craft

1905
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,320
have exhibited you know uh

1906
01:27:42,350 --> 01:27:39,600
the type of propulsion though the way

1907
01:27:44,930 --> 01:27:42,360
they can they can move uh the speeds

1908
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:44,940
that they move at uh doing right angles

1909
01:27:52,610 --> 01:27:47,880
at The Impossible speeds right turn turn

1910
01:27:54,590 --> 01:27:52,620
a human into liquid uh and uh but I I

1911
01:27:58,729 --> 01:27:54,600
had the opportunity to have lunch with

1912
01:28:01,490 --> 01:27:58,739
uh Lu Elizondo uh a couple of years ago

1913
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:01,500
before kovitz shut everything down and

1914
01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:04,260
uh Terry Lovelace was there because Lou

1915
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:06,780
was there interviewing Terry Lovelace

1916
01:28:11,930 --> 01:28:09,840
for that show unidentified

1917
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,940
which never got aired that particular

1918
01:28:16,669 --> 01:28:13,679
episode never got aired for whatever

1919
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:16,679
reason I don't know but it's sitting

1920
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:19,199
down and talking to him they figured

1921
01:28:25,090 --> 01:28:21,600
that there's an interaction with a very

1922
01:28:29,090 --> 01:28:25,100
low power unit and the skin of The Craft

1923
01:28:32,030 --> 01:28:29,100
that causes some kind of a a interaction

1924
01:28:34,970 --> 01:28:32,040
between space and time uh that they're

1925
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,980
able to do that so and he was making

1926
01:28:40,450 --> 01:28:37,199
drawings and everything I tried to steal

1927
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:40,460
that from him but it wasn't successful

1928
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,400
and so they know a lot more they know a

1929
01:28:48,350 --> 01:28:46,080
hell of a lot more that they still

1930
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,360
haven't come out with and that that

1931
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:51,360
first uh Congressional hearing that they

1932
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,480
had that was such a joke the the people

1933
01:28:59,209 --> 01:28:56,400
that they they were interrogating didn't

1934
01:29:02,810 --> 01:28:59,219
know [\h__\h] they didn't

1935
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:02,820
um well or they acted like yeah okay oh

1936
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:05,360
yeah okay

1937
01:29:11,390 --> 01:29:09,480
Moultrie and gray those two characters I

1938
01:29:14,030 --> 01:29:11,400
I don't think they're going to be

1939
01:29:16,250 --> 01:29:14,040
invited back uh to the uh to the

1940
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:16,260
grown-ups table tomorrow I I don't see

1941
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,940
that happening

1942
01:29:23,330 --> 01:29:19,440
um but

1943
01:29:26,990 --> 01:29:23,340
if you go back to that original hearing

1944
01:29:31,610 --> 01:29:27,000
um I I rather enjoyed it

1945
01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:31,620
and I I didn't see it quite the way I

1946
01:29:37,610 --> 01:29:34,980
had issues with it okay but

1947
01:29:41,209 --> 01:29:37,620
um there were some nuggets in that

1948
01:29:43,070 --> 01:29:41,219
hearing and for me one of the Nuggets

1949
01:29:44,990 --> 01:29:43,080
was when

1950
01:29:46,729 --> 01:29:45,000
um I don't know if it was Gallagher I'd

1951
01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:46,739
have been Gallagher

1952
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:49,980
um he goes well what about Malmstrom Air

1953
01:30:02,810 --> 01:30:00,590
I was like man that's a bunch of BS

1954
01:30:04,729 --> 01:30:02,820
right there that that is exactly the one

1955
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:04,739
that I was thinking of when you started

1956
01:30:10,610 --> 01:30:08,159
to zero in on that that was the one that

1957
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:10,620
got me it was like are you kidding me

1958
01:30:15,649 --> 01:30:13,199
they didn't know about that

1959
01:30:19,070 --> 01:30:15,659
or or they say they didn't know about

1960
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:19,080
that so many things and and the Wilson

1961
01:30:25,129 --> 01:30:22,260
Davis document and and bringing that up

1962
01:30:27,229 --> 01:30:25,139
I think they waved it around right and

1963
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:27,239
uh and and got that put into the

1964
01:30:31,070 --> 01:30:28,560
Congressional Record

1965
01:30:32,570 --> 01:30:31,080
so that's that side of the house that

1966
01:30:34,729 --> 01:30:32,580
that side of the house

1967
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:34,739
I think had their [\h__\h] together you know

1968
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:36,360
they they were asking really good

1969
01:30:43,790 --> 01:30:39,840
questions yeah yeah yeah well if you

1970
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:43,800
remember Andre Carlson and uh Carson

1971
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:46,080
um in the beginning of the hearing when

1972
01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:50,820
he said uh this is a UFO hearing

1973
01:30:57,950 --> 01:30:52,980
uh something that hasn't happened in 50

1974
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:57,960
years now he said UFO and and he wanted

1975
01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:01,920
to absolutely have that and make it

1976
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:05,460
clear that this was a UFO hearing not a

1977
01:31:12,729 --> 01:31:08,820
hearing about drones not a hearing about

1978
01:31:16,729 --> 01:31:12,739
the military and technology or that no

1979
01:31:19,970 --> 01:31:16,739
it was a UFO hearing and whatever

1980
01:31:21,709 --> 01:31:19,980
happened after that that's fine but I

1981
01:31:23,689 --> 01:31:21,719
like the way that Andre Carson did that

1982
01:31:26,030 --> 01:31:23,699
from the beginning you know and and and

1983
01:31:29,570 --> 01:31:26,040
and and made it very clear that this

1984
01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:29,580
this hearing is about UFOs yeah no I I I

1985
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:32,760
agree that that that part of it and the

1986
01:31:38,930 --> 01:31:35,760
questioning that the Congress people had

1987
01:31:41,209 --> 01:31:38,940
were good but the answers that they got

1988
01:31:42,770 --> 01:31:41,219
were not good what do you think is going

1989
01:31:45,530 --> 01:31:42,780
to happen tomorrow

1990
01:31:47,330 --> 01:31:45,540
oh that's a good question

1991
01:31:50,570 --> 01:31:47,340
I I think they're going to have a better

1992
01:31:52,669 --> 01:31:50,580
group of people that probably uh are are

1993
01:31:55,490 --> 01:31:52,679
going to be a little bit more Savvy but

1994
01:31:57,709 --> 01:31:55,500
uh you never know with these things uh

1995
01:32:00,110 --> 01:31:57,719
you know there's so much politics at

1996
01:32:01,669 --> 01:32:00,120
play as well you know you got you got a

1997
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:01,679
faction within the government that

1998
01:32:07,070 --> 01:32:03,600
doesn't want any of this happening right

1999
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:07,080
and and you know and so they're

2000
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:08,880
constantly fighting that and that you

2001
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:11,040
know it's a question of money too

2002
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:13,679
how do you appropriate money to really

2003
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,840
investigate this properly and I think

2004
01:32:19,250 --> 01:32:17,520
that's the biggest sticking point with

2005
01:32:21,709 --> 01:32:19,260
all of this you got to put in the Fear

2006
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:21,719
Factor right so that's that's the only

2007
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:23,100
way that that's going to ultimately

2008
01:32:26,689 --> 01:32:25,020
happen you got to scare the crap out of

2009
01:32:29,450 --> 01:32:26,699
everybody yeah

2010
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,460
um so there is that aspect but here's I

2011
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:32,239
had Ron James on on the show last night

2012
01:32:38,990 --> 01:32:36,239
and uh and Ron said that

2013
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:39,000
now now I'm a little confused but he

2014
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:43,199
said that the classified hearing

2015
01:32:47,930 --> 01:32:46,440
is going to be first and then they were

2016
01:32:51,050 --> 01:32:47,940
going to have the public hearing after

2017
01:32:55,729 --> 01:32:51,060
that but this starts at 7 15 Pacific

2018
01:32:56,810 --> 01:32:55,739
time yes so I don't know if if that is

2019
01:32:59,330 --> 01:32:56,820
correct

2020
01:33:01,990 --> 01:32:59,340
so I don't I don't know either because

2021
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:02,000
all the notices that I've I've gotten

2022
01:33:06,290 --> 01:33:04,920
saying that it starts at 9 15 and that

2023
01:33:09,290 --> 01:33:06,300
doesn't say anything about being

2024
01:33:12,910 --> 01:33:09,300
classified or non-classified what do you

2025
01:33:17,209 --> 01:33:12,920
mean I okay I'm getting one because

2026
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:17,219
East Coast time okay yeah because we

2027
01:33:20,990 --> 01:33:19,440
start streaming at uh 7 15 in the

2028
01:33:22,729 --> 01:33:21,000
morning right

2029
01:33:26,750 --> 01:33:22,739
um but

2030
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:26,760
um I I don't know I I I'm I'm this is

2031
01:33:30,770 --> 01:33:29,400
Senate right the other was a house

2032
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:30,780
subcommittee

2033
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:33,360
now we're dealing with the Senate how

2034
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:36,960
are they going to approach it and I've

2035
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,120
read a couple of the initial press

2036
01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:41,520
releases on this and they're going to

2037
01:33:48,830 --> 01:33:43,800
ask for money so they're going to lay

2038
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:48,840
out uh the reasons for money and and

2039
01:33:53,870 --> 01:33:51,600
investigations into this are they going

2040
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:53,880
to steer this into

2041
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:57,360
uh Chinese balloons right are they going

2042
01:34:02,330 --> 01:33:58,920
to go in that direction and make it a

2043
01:34:05,149 --> 01:34:02,340
military issue or is this going to be an

2044
01:34:06,830 --> 01:34:05,159
ET issue well I think it's going to be a

2045
01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:06,840
military issue I I don't think they're

2046
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:07,980
they're gonna

2047
01:34:14,930 --> 01:34:12,239
go E.T you know this is a threat we have

2048
01:34:17,810 --> 01:34:14,940
to understand what this is and and try

2049
01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:17,820
to understand how they operate and and I

2050
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:21,060
I don't think they're gonna you know

2051
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:23,040
because they they certainly haven't done

2052
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:24,960
that because already they say well it's

2053
01:34:28,729 --> 01:34:26,340
not the Russians it's not the Chinese

2054
01:34:30,169 --> 01:34:28,739
it's not us and so but we don't know

2055
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:30,179
what they are and they haven't come out

2056
01:34:33,470 --> 01:34:31,920
with the fact that well they must be

2057
01:34:35,290 --> 01:34:33,480
extraterrestrial then

2058
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:35,300
you know but they're not saying that

2059
01:34:42,110 --> 01:34:39,300
when you um uh yeah that's such a really

2060
01:34:45,470 --> 01:34:42,120
good point and if we go back to the

2061
01:34:47,090 --> 01:34:45,480
first hearing not the the report right I

2062
01:34:48,410 --> 01:34:47,100
can't believe that was three years ago

2063
01:34:52,010 --> 01:34:48,420
now yeah

2064
01:34:54,830 --> 01:34:52,020
um uh but the hearing uh last year

2065
01:34:58,250 --> 01:34:54,840
um uh it was Welsh

2066
01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:58,260
Welsh says representative Welsh uh that

2067
01:35:05,090 --> 01:35:00,960
dude deserves a little gold sticky star

2068
01:35:07,490 --> 01:35:05,100
you know right right here he goes

2069
01:35:11,950 --> 01:35:07,500
I want to talk about E.T

2070
01:35:15,770 --> 01:35:11,960
I want to talk about them visiting here

2071
01:35:18,530 --> 01:35:15,780
and it was Bray or Moultrie responded

2072
01:35:20,510 --> 01:35:18,540
with well well we'll discuss that in the

2073
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:20,520
classified portion of this this

2074
01:35:25,209 --> 01:35:23,280
afternoon and Wells comes back with so

2075
01:35:28,149 --> 01:35:25,219
we're going to be talking about E.T then

2076
01:35:29,709 --> 01:35:28,159
in the classified and I thought man

2077
01:35:33,169 --> 01:35:29,719
exactly

2078
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,179
they Bray and Moultrie were trying to

2079
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:35,280
steer it in another Direction and that's

2080
01:35:41,209 --> 01:35:38,520
how that subcommittee wanted to hear no

2081
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,219
they wanted to talk about is are we

2082
01:35:46,129 --> 01:35:44,159
being visited by something not of this

2083
01:35:48,169 --> 01:35:46,139
Earth that's what this hearing is about

2084
01:35:50,330 --> 01:35:48,179
right let's talk about Russian

2085
01:35:53,629 --> 01:35:50,340
technology

2086
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:53,639
yeah that's it so we'll see we'll see

2087
01:35:59,090 --> 01:35:55,199
what happens tomorrow

2088
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,100
did you did you ever uh expect uh this

2089
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,440
kind of stuff to be happening in uh on

2090
01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:03,600
Capitol Hill when he first got started

2091
01:36:09,310 --> 01:36:06,900
with move on no not at all not at all I

2092
01:36:13,689 --> 01:36:09,320
I mean you know uh

2093
01:36:16,010 --> 01:36:13,699
Leslie Kane I know her well and and uh

2094
01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:16,020
the fact that uh you know she was

2095
01:36:20,570 --> 01:36:17,460
involved with that New York Times

2096
01:36:23,570 --> 01:36:20,580
article in 2017.

2097
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:23,580
um it's it's it's

2098
01:36:29,149 --> 01:36:27,420
it's surreal it's surreal that this is

2099
01:36:32,330 --> 01:36:29,159
actually happening

2100
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:32,340
um you know and I I think

2101
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:35,820
there's there's such a Groundswell I

2102
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:39,600
think of of of uh impetus to to make

2103
01:36:45,050 --> 01:36:42,960
this happen you know it it's it's

2104
01:36:47,570 --> 01:36:45,060
it's like a Consciousness thing that's

2105
01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:47,580
going on like we're we're manipulating

2106
01:36:53,209 --> 01:36:50,280
this process in some way shape or form

2107
01:36:56,270 --> 01:36:53,219
you are I am all the other podcasters

2108
01:36:58,850 --> 01:36:56,280
out there that are doing shows like this

2109
01:37:02,209 --> 01:36:58,860
um and and and now you know the the the

2110
01:37:05,390 --> 01:37:02,219
population you know with shows like uh

2111
01:37:08,090 --> 01:37:05,400
Ancient Aliens and uh uh you know

2112
01:37:10,669 --> 01:37:08,100
unidentified in the whole plethora of

2113
01:37:15,169 --> 01:37:10,679
other uh shows that are talking about

2114
01:37:18,110 --> 01:37:15,179
this subject uh uh is is causing causing

2115
01:37:19,790 --> 01:37:18,120
the non-believers if you will to pay

2116
01:37:21,470 --> 01:37:19,800
attention and say well maybe there is

2117
01:37:22,850 --> 01:37:21,480
something going on and maybe I should

2118
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:22,860
pay attention

2119
01:37:27,770 --> 01:37:25,199
so if

2120
01:37:31,370 --> 01:37:27,780
you can't have one without the other

2121
01:37:34,370 --> 01:37:31,380
if the government crosses the line right

2122
01:37:36,530 --> 01:37:34,380
and we know what that line is if they

2123
01:37:38,209 --> 01:37:36,540
cross that line we are not alone in the

2124
01:37:40,189 --> 01:37:38,219
universe we're being visited and now

2125
01:37:44,090 --> 01:37:40,199
it's time to talk about this

2126
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,100
if if they cross that line then we have

2127
01:37:48,410 --> 01:37:46,560
uh the abductions and the hybrid

2128
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:48,420
programs and everything else it needs to

2129
01:37:54,169 --> 01:37:51,600
be put on the table right exactly

2130
01:37:57,050 --> 01:37:54,179
that is that is absolutely true and you

2131
01:38:00,110 --> 01:37:57,060
know one one of the things that I was

2132
01:38:02,750 --> 01:38:00,120
able to to talk to Lou about it was what

2133
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,760
I was doing and how I was trying to help

2134
01:38:05,689 --> 01:38:04,560
these people that are having and of

2135
01:38:08,030 --> 01:38:05,699
course he was interviewing Terry

2136
01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:08,040
Lovelace you know who wrote the book uh

2137
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:10,440
incident of Devil's Den uh you know when

2138
01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:13,679
he was in the military and uh uh you

2139
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:16,500
know incredible detail and and had

2140
01:38:20,030 --> 01:38:18,719
X-rays of the implants that were there

2141
01:38:21,709 --> 01:38:20,040
and that were

2142
01:38:25,310 --> 01:38:21,719
removed

2143
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,320
I mean it's a hell of a story and and so

2144
01:38:30,169 --> 01:38:27,840
the government is already interviewing

2145
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:30,179
people that have been abducted they

2146
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:31,679
they're they're they're they're doing

2147
01:38:36,770 --> 01:38:35,760
that already uh and so but are they

2148
01:38:39,470 --> 01:38:36,780
willing

2149
01:38:40,910 --> 01:38:39,480
to bring that to the to the fore I think

2150
01:38:43,550 --> 01:38:40,920
the first step is that we got to

2151
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,560
understand what these objects are who

2152
01:38:48,290 --> 01:38:45,360
they are if we can possibly understand

2153
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,300
it and and of course in a lot of cases

2154
01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:50,159
most of the people that are having

2155
01:38:54,729 --> 01:38:53,100
experiences know who they are and where

2156
01:38:58,490 --> 01:38:54,739
they're from

2157
01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:58,500
do you think man I'm so losing my voice

2158
01:39:06,169 --> 01:39:02,219
I almost can't talk hold on okay

2159
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:06,179
I'm almost almost ready to call the show

2160
01:39:09,410 --> 01:39:07,920
but I'm not going to get it I've got I

2161
01:39:11,330 --> 01:39:09,420
gotta troop this thing out I gotta keep

2162
01:39:14,930 --> 01:39:11,340
going is

2163
01:39:18,590 --> 01:39:14,940
um uh then there's the interdimensional

2164
01:39:22,669 --> 01:39:18,600
aspect to this and so let's let's

2165
01:39:25,970 --> 01:39:22,679
address that uh as we wind down here

2166
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:25,980
um if and I believe that there are if

2167
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:28,560
there are inter-dimensional

2168
01:39:36,110 --> 01:39:32,400
um beings uh there has to be and lots of

2169
01:39:38,270 --> 01:39:36,120
them sure but is that now a physical

2170
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,280
abduction

2171
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,320
uh you know what I mean if it's

2172
01:39:45,229 --> 01:39:43,199
interdimensional are they arriving here

2173
01:39:47,629 --> 01:39:45,239
and then back into the physical coming

2174
01:39:51,790 --> 01:39:47,639
from another dimension

2175
01:39:54,830 --> 01:39:51,800
um no yeah are they beings of light yes

2176
01:39:58,370 --> 01:39:54,840
right that's generally how they're

2177
01:40:01,850 --> 01:39:58,380
described as beings of light uh that uh

2178
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:01,860
interface with these people uh uh they

2179
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:04,080
you know the physical body may not be

2180
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:07,440
taken but the the astral body uh is is

2181
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:11,040
is teleported or taken uh from the

2182
01:40:16,850 --> 01:40:13,679
person uh so they have that kind of

2183
01:40:18,890 --> 01:40:16,860
capability because you know the the big

2184
01:40:20,810 --> 01:40:18,900
thing now when people have near-death

2185
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:20,820
experiences they talk about

2186
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:23,760
what happens to that energy their energy

2187
01:40:30,830 --> 01:40:27,600
it it it it doesn't die it it goes out

2188
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:30,840
into the universe these people have most

2189
01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:34,080
most cases the the vast majority of

2190
01:40:39,470 --> 01:40:36,900
cases are extremely positive you know

2191
01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:39,480
where they meet these these beings of

2192
01:40:44,510 --> 01:40:43,380
light uh that are very loving

2193
01:40:46,910 --> 01:40:44,520
um I don't know if you ever heard the

2194
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:46,920
story about this uh woman Doctor Who was

2195
01:40:53,810 --> 01:40:49,920
on a uh kayaking uh trip down in South

2196
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:53,820
America and she went over a Falls and uh

2197
01:41:01,550 --> 01:40:58,320
got trapped over 30 minutes underwater

2198
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:01,560
okay and during that period of time uh

2199
01:41:08,450 --> 01:41:05,040
she she started to meet these entities

2200
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:08,460
and she had this overwhelming uh love

2201
01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:11,280
that she was feeling from them and she

2202
01:41:15,890 --> 01:41:13,860
wanted to go with them and they said no

2203
01:41:18,290 --> 01:41:15,900
no you got things you have to do you

2204
01:41:22,430 --> 01:41:18,300
have to go back and then they mentioned

2205
01:41:25,250 --> 01:41:22,440
to her that her son her young son uh

2206
01:41:29,570 --> 01:41:25,260
would uh tragically die when he turned

2207
01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:29,580
18. and uh and so she

2208
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:31,920
you know as I said she came out of this

2209
01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:35,280
thing she survived uh went on with life

2210
01:41:40,669 --> 01:41:38,520
her son eventually became 18 she never

2211
01:41:42,890 --> 01:41:40,679
said anything to him about it and he

2212
01:41:44,810 --> 01:41:42,900
tragically died in a car accident

2213
01:41:47,570 --> 01:41:44,820
so

2214
01:41:52,970 --> 01:41:47,580
that brings up a whole nother

2215
01:41:54,530 --> 01:41:52,980
ball of wax that is how how is time

2216
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:54,540
perceived

2217
01:42:00,169 --> 01:41:58,800
at all is there time I mean it's you

2218
01:42:02,689 --> 01:42:00,179
know how can they

2219
01:42:06,410 --> 01:42:02,699
look at the future like that and and

2220
01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:06,420
tell somebody the the the future events

2221
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:10,440
and so that's a whole nother subject uh

2222
01:42:16,430 --> 01:42:14,400
with uh understanding Consciousness and

2223
01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:16,440
you know whether it's the past the

2224
01:42:21,530 --> 01:42:18,960
present or the future you know how does

2225
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:21,540
that and I've worked with psychics these

2226
01:42:27,950 --> 01:42:24,719
people are able to find missing people

2227
01:42:30,830 --> 01:42:27,960
or or dead bodies or things of that

2228
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,840
nature or tell somebody about the fact

2229
01:42:36,290 --> 01:42:32,960
that their their son is going to die

2230
01:42:42,530 --> 01:42:36,300
well it's it's all connected though just

2231
01:42:44,750 --> 01:42:42,540
like exactly exactly it's so easy uh to

2232
01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:44,760
uh travel to the Future

2233
01:42:51,770 --> 01:42:48,320
that that's a physical thing you just

2234
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:51,780
leave Earth head out that way in One

2235
01:42:58,609 --> 01:42:55,440
Direction as fast as you can go make a

2236
01:43:00,770 --> 01:42:58,619
U-turn and come back and you're going to

2237
01:43:03,290 --> 01:43:00,780
be depending on how long you were gone

2238
01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:03,300
and how fast you were going it could be

2239
01:43:09,470 --> 01:43:06,780
anywhere from five ten years to ten

2240
01:43:12,669 --> 01:43:09,480
thousand years in the future so you get

2241
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:12,679
to see the future but the trick is

2242
01:43:19,729 --> 01:43:17,520
coming back right so you know going back

2243
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:19,739
in time going going to the Future that's

2244
01:43:23,570 --> 01:43:20,639
easy

2245
01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:23,580
we're doing it right now right we we are

2246
01:43:28,209 --> 01:43:26,400
time traveling yeah and then is then

2247
01:43:31,370 --> 01:43:28,219
right yeah right right

2248
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,380
so going to the future is is is very

2249
01:43:36,530 --> 01:43:34,080
simple and Einstein has made it very

2250
01:43:39,169 --> 01:43:36,540
elegant uh and and very easy to

2251
01:43:41,090 --> 01:43:39,179
understand so

2252
01:43:43,129 --> 01:43:41,100
ET like you're talking about or

2253
01:43:44,030 --> 01:43:43,139
connecting the dots unless it's very

2254
01:43:47,450 --> 01:43:44,040
simple

2255
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:47,460
they would have that figured out so go

2256
01:43:51,169 --> 01:43:49,380
yeah go into the future and experiencing

2257
01:43:52,850 --> 01:43:51,179
that and coming back here going you know

2258
01:43:55,609 --> 01:43:52,860
what let me tell you what's going to

2259
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,619
happen well it makes sense to me I don't

2260
01:43:58,430 --> 01:43:57,360
think it's it's that crazy of a thought

2261
01:44:01,250 --> 01:43:58,440
do you

2262
01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:01,260
um well now that you've explained it to

2263
01:44:09,169 --> 01:44:04,500
me that way and yeah it does

2264
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:09,179
but uh and and how far uh one last

2265
01:44:14,090 --> 01:44:10,380
question

2266
01:44:15,169 --> 01:44:14,100
um uh uh on this subject if you had a

2267
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:15,179
choice

2268
01:44:21,530 --> 01:44:18,840
how far in the future would you go if if

2269
01:44:24,410 --> 01:44:21,540
you if you wanted to how far would you

2270
01:44:26,090 --> 01:44:24,420
go that's a good question never really

2271
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:26,100
thought about that

2272
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:27,360
um

2273
01:44:32,330 --> 01:44:30,719
I you know well I I you know I'm I'm 75

2274
01:44:35,209 --> 01:44:32,340
years old right now

2275
01:44:38,109 --> 01:44:35,219
so I don't know how much further in the

2276
01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:38,119
future I could go and still be around

2277
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:40,920
but uh yeah it would be interesting just

2278
01:44:46,250 --> 01:44:44,040
to find out how you know when when is

2279
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:46,260
when is this particular physical body

2280
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:49,020
going to give up The Ghost and and you

2281
01:44:54,290 --> 01:44:52,320
know go to the next uh realm if you will

2282
01:44:56,750 --> 01:44:54,300
that's it that's as far as you would go

2283
01:45:00,350 --> 01:44:56,760
I would go like a million years well I

2284
01:45:02,750 --> 01:45:00,360
would I would me I would rather go into

2285
01:45:06,649 --> 01:45:02,760
the past and see how the Egyptians did

2286
01:45:09,169 --> 01:45:06,659
what they did yeah yeah I mean yeah that

2287
01:45:12,109 --> 01:45:09,179
to me is fascinating yeah no arguing

2288
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:12,119
that point I would go straight not the

2289
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:13,920
resurrection I don't want to see Jesus

2290
01:45:18,410 --> 01:45:16,320
on the cross not that big of a deal to

2291
01:45:20,590 --> 01:45:18,420
me I want to know how they built those

2292
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:20,600
freaking pyramids oh yeah

2293
01:45:27,250 --> 01:45:24,480
but I would go uh I would go with the

2294
01:45:29,390 --> 01:45:27,260
deep deep future

2295
01:45:32,270 --> 01:45:29,400
million years

2296
01:45:34,370 --> 01:45:32,280
yeah see see what's up that's that's

2297
01:45:36,830 --> 01:45:34,380
what I would do well hope hopefully

2298
01:45:38,689 --> 01:45:36,840
hopefully uh you remember the movie The

2299
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:38,699
Time Machine the original time machine

2300
01:45:44,930 --> 01:45:41,760
yep you went into the future and it was

2301
01:45:46,330 --> 01:45:44,940
not a good situation and do you if you

2302
01:45:50,350 --> 01:45:46,340
remember

2303
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:50,360
humans evolved into gray aliens

2304
01:45:58,010 --> 01:45:54,000
how warlocks warlocks yeah the morlocks

2305
01:46:00,050 --> 01:45:58,020
if you read they were described uh in in

2306
01:46:04,330 --> 01:46:00,060
the in the book

2307
01:46:08,510 --> 01:46:04,340
um it was it was describing gray Aliens

2308
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,520
big heads big eyes right gray skin and

2309
01:46:14,689 --> 01:46:10,560
and that's what humans had evolved into

2310
01:46:17,629 --> 01:46:14,699
and he wrote that in 1895 incredible

2311
01:46:19,550 --> 01:46:17,639
incredible well uh Les where can

2312
01:46:22,370 --> 01:46:19,560
everybody get the book uh the unknown

2313
01:46:25,669 --> 01:46:22,380
other and the existential proposition of

2314
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:25,679
alien contact yeah it's on Amazon and uh

2315
01:46:30,109 --> 01:46:28,080
so you can just go there with the Kindle

2316
01:46:32,930 --> 01:46:30,119
Vision if you're Kindle Prime it's free

2317
01:46:36,169 --> 01:46:32,940
uh regular Kindle is like nine bucks and

2318
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:36,179
then the paperback is uh 20. all the

2319
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:38,639
proceeds of of the book uh go directly

2320
01:46:43,609 --> 01:46:41,280
to Opus I don't take anything that's my

2321
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:43,619
contribution to the cause

2322
01:46:50,209 --> 01:46:47,360
um and of course uh our website is

2323
01:46:52,609 --> 01:46:50,219
opusnetwork.org uh please tell your

2324
01:46:54,350 --> 01:46:52,619
friends you know if if you know that

2325
01:46:57,050 --> 01:46:54,360
they're having issues of this nature

2326
01:46:59,090 --> 01:46:57,060
that we're here to help them uh and and

2327
01:47:01,370 --> 01:46:59,100
so we'd love to hear hear from them and

2328
01:47:03,410 --> 01:47:01,380
and try to help them as best we can

2329
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:03,420
thank you so much Les for everything

2330
01:47:08,050 --> 01:47:06,000
that you do my man and I look forward

2331
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:08,060
we're not going to wait 10 years

2332
01:47:13,729 --> 01:47:11,520
we're to our next conversation and

2333
01:47:15,770 --> 01:47:13,739
everybody well I tell you what it was

2334
01:47:17,570 --> 01:47:15,780
great I I really enjoyed this with you

2335
01:47:19,729 --> 01:47:17,580
Jimmy and thank you very much for having

2336
01:47:21,649 --> 01:47:19,739
me on the show and as I said earlier

2337
01:47:23,870 --> 01:47:21,659
you're doing a fantastic job I

2338
01:47:26,510 --> 01:47:23,880
appreciate what you do you're getting

2339
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:26,520
the word out on this very important

2340
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:29,280
topic so thank you you are doing the

2341
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:31,199
real work I'm just the dude of the

2342
01:47:37,609 --> 01:47:34,800
microphone so uh and and and less is

2343
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:37,619
right the links uh for opusnetwork.org

2344
01:47:41,149 --> 01:47:39,600
are below we've got them over on our

2345
01:47:43,609 --> 01:47:41,159
website we've got it throughout social

2346
01:47:46,850 --> 01:47:43,619
media and definitely go and check out

2347
01:47:50,090 --> 01:47:46,860
the book too as well let's enjoy that

2348
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:50,100
hearing tomorrow oh yeah for sure thanks

2349
01:47:57,649 --> 01:47:54,719
Jimmy thank you bye-bye Les Velez and

2350
01:48:01,310 --> 01:47:57,659
everybody I've lost my voice I I am

2351
01:48:05,689 --> 01:48:01,320
seconds away for for not having any

2352
01:48:09,050 --> 01:48:05,699
thing left so uh Thank You Les and uh

2353
01:48:12,109 --> 01:48:09,060
and everybody my voice I I I I I almost

2354
01:48:15,470 --> 01:48:12,119
got through the entire show but you can

2355
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:15,480
tell I'm just seconds away from uh

2356
01:48:21,050 --> 01:48:18,480
losing it and I've got a show with

2357
01:48:22,910 --> 01:48:21,060
Christina Gomez first thing in the

2358
01:48:25,550 --> 01:48:22,920
morning we're gonna be live streaming

2359
01:48:28,729 --> 01:48:25,560
the Senate UFO hearing so I'll see

2360
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:28,739
everybody over on Christina's Channel at

2361
01:48:33,709 --> 01:48:30,960
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01:49:15,390 --> 01:49:06,719
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